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post #8181 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 06:03 PM
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I think it is more with a rather directionless feel to his reign hurting him more than the Lawler incident. I'm a fan of Punk, but I'll admit to tuning out lately. I have no interest in whiny/cowardly heel number 422 going against Ryback of all people. Doesn't do anything for me. Just don't really care.

Which is not just a problem for Punk... it's for the whole WWE. I don't really give a damn about almost anything. Nothing feels important. Nothing feels like it's happening. it all just seems like the WWE is spinning it's wheel in the mud and I'm just getting splattered with it... so I start tuning out. And I'm a hardcore wrestling fanatic... you get us not to care and you have a serious serious problem with your product. Because if actual wrestling fans leave... then you'll have no one left when the casual inevitably stops watching. Which is exactly what we are seeing... McMahon has shit on real wrestling fans in order to be an entertainment company with some wrestling geared, seemingly, towards children. But none of those casuals he so desperately wants can be counted on to stay around. So you have ratings just plummeting lower and lower because his product ends up appealing to no one.

And it's all his fault... he was the idiot that tried to appeal to a different demographic than the one that has always been there for wrestling.
See, the thing is this explains the general decline in ratings, but not the sharp decline for hour 3 this week, and the apparent 2.3 rating for Punk/Kane. If hour 3's average was... say... a 3.9 million/more in line with the average percent drop from hour 2 to hour 3, I wouldn't say it's Punk at all.

Of course everything when it comes down to it falls on the heads of WWE creative/Vince, and that includes superstars booking which could influence their ability to draw. However I can't see how a 2.3 for Punk/Kane in the final quarter hour before the overrun(assuming it's true of course) can't be attributed to a negative appeal of either Punk or Kane. Or maybe the disgust with the whole twitter thing being rigged and people tuning out not wanting to see Punk/Kane at all. That's the only other thing I can think of to explain it.

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post #8182 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-29-2012, 06:21 PM
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See, the thing is this explains the general decline in ratings, but not the sharp decline for hour 3 this week, and the apparent 2.3 rating for Punk/Kane. If hour 3's average was... say... a 3.9 million/more in line with the average percent drop from hour 2 to hour 3, I wouldn't say it's Punk at all.

Of course everything when it comes down to it falls on the heads of WWE creative/Vince, and that includes superstars booking which could influence their ability to draw. However I can't see how a 2.3 for Punk/Kane in the final quarter hour before the overrun(assuming it's true of course) can't be attributed to a negative appeal of either Punk or Kane. Or maybe the disgust with the whole twitter thing being rigged and people tuning out not wanting to see Punk/Kane at all. That's the only other thing I can think of to explain it.
There are a few reasons.

Burnout - unless the product is hitting on all aspects, 3 hours is just too long.

Ads - for a 3 hour PPV, there are no ads to fuck up the flow of a match or a segment. It's all about the show. Course now we are getting ads during PPVs...... idiotic practice there.

Recaps - Why do we need so many recaps of stuff that happened last week let alone that very night...

Poor booking overall - especially this week, Raw felt like nothing was happening and that nothing would happen. People just didn't watch because of that and they were right.

All in all, the third hour in general is no surprise when it's low. This weeks doesn't shock me at all... the third hour was filled with a few segments of no consequence, an overload of ads and recaps, and it followed a terrible show already. It wasn't an indictment on any one guy since there were a few familiar faces in teh segments that have drawn before... it is just the general sense from fans that the WWE doesn't give a fuck so why waste our time?

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The third hour was horribly low. The first two hours were also low. If the third hour wasn't there the first two hours are still shit. The third hour clearly isn't helping matters but their problems run a lot deeper than that. Adding in the extra hour is just exasperating things.


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It's funny how we still focus on whether such-and-such is a draw, when it seems the best the WWE can hope for is something that doesn't actively drive viewers away. What an oddly unlikable product they've created.



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Oddly unlikable product is the best description of current WWE I've heard yet lol. I want to like it because I'm a wrestling fan and have been for forever but oddly, I don't find it enjoyable and pretty much don't like it right now because it's, well, because it's shit.


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Even though the booking is blame to a certain extent, these wrestlers of today are just boring.

Serious development on their characters need major work imo.

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Even though the booking is blame to a certain extent, these wrestlers of today are just boring.

Serious development on their characters need major work imo.
Well, sure, some people might find the wrestlers boring. But then you've got a guy like me: I'm a huge mark for Punk, huge mark for Bryan, big fan of Ziggler, the Shield, Cesaro, Sheamus (at times), the new tag division, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's going on. So why do I find it eye-searingly painful to sit through Raw? Why have I stopped giving a single hot shit about Smackdown?

I think it's because I feel it's insulting. The lack of thought (or at least, lack of clear thought) that goes into everything WWE does these days is so plainly obvious that it's hard not to feel like your time is better spent elsewhere. They don't give a single shit about pleasing people who watch week-to-week, or even hour-to-hour. Otherwise they wouldn't recap every important segment from the first hour, in full, at least once before the end of the show. Or give a beat-for-beat repeat of the huge finish from Survivor Series on Raw the next night. Or have a recap of the closing 20 minutes of Raw positioned as the main event of Superstars. They have Cesaro hang with Sheamus (and frankly, look better than him) on Raw, but two days ago on Smackdown, he lost clean in about two minutes to R-fucking-Truth. Never mind the fact that for a solid five minutes towards the start of that really, really great match, Cole and King said absolutely nothing about what was going on the ring. They don't care - why would anyone watching?

The only show that's actually consistent is NXT, but that's internally consistent, and completely divorced from the rest of WWE TV. So divorced in fact, that Cole will repeatedly reference Ambrose being on NXT. Ambrose, who has, as the people who make the effort to actually watch WWE programming know, spent a sum total of zero seconds on NXT.

Who could be happy watching that product? Why wouldn't people tune out in droves, no matter who's champion, no matter who's in which segment? They could build a main event program of solid gold around Punk, Ryback, Cena, or hell, even Rocky, but it'd still be balanced on the same bullshit foundations that's making it a chore to watch these days, and people would continue to lose interest.



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Way back when, sometimes around when the thread first started, I voted "WWE Brand Draws." I don't think I believe that anymore. I think it is true for Wrestlemania & Royal Rumble & that's it. People still want to see stars & I don't think that will ever change. To me, C.M. Punk is just not a star. Yes, to us internet fans we know him as the guy from the Indies that worked his way up to the top & has some great mic skills & good matches. To the everyday, common viewer though, regardless of if he is heel or face, he's sort of just another guy. A year-long WWE title reign has not changed this.

C.M. Punk is not the only one though. There really aren't any stars on the show & that is the problem. There is no one to make people want to tune in or to stick around if they do tune in. If you put on WWE Monday Night RAW, you are pretty much going to see the same thing every week & for whatever reason when they do hand-select a new flavor-of-the-week (because lord knows they're not listening to the fans) they pick guys like Ryback. Even Goldberg went through the undercard & won a midcard belt. Ryback went from squashing two nobodies at a time to getting a WWE PPV title shot in a cage damn near over night. Never winning the U.S. or I.C. title. He was just thrust to the tippy-top because WWE were in panic mode because they don't have any planning. All of their eggs are in the John Cena basket.

I'm in the camp that other than keeping the USA Network happy, the ratings don't matter at all anymore (& haven't since WCW stopped being around) & certainly shouldn't matter to the fans. It is interesting to seem them continually go down though because I do find that to be a reflection of the quality of the show.
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Well, sure, some people might find the wrestlers boring. But then you've got a guy like me: I'm a huge mark for Punk, huge mark for Bryan, big fan of Ziggler, the Shield, Cesaro, Sheamus (at times), the new tag division, and a whole bunch of other stuff that's going on. So why do I find it eye-searingly painful to sit through Raw? Why have I stopped giving a single hot shit about Smackdown?

I think it's because I feel it's insulting. The lack of thought (or at least, lack of clear thought) that goes into everything WWE does these days is so plainly obvious that it's hard not to feel like your time is better spent elsewhere. They don't give a single shit about pleasing people who watch week-to-week, or even hour-to-hour. Otherwise they wouldn't recap every important segment from the first hour, in full, at least once before the end of the show. Or give a beat-for-beat repeat of the huge finish from Survivor Series on Raw the next night. Or have a recap of the closing 20 minutes of Raw positioned as the main event of Superstars. They have Cesaro hang with Sheamus (and frankly, look better than him) on Raw, but two days ago on Smackdown, he lost clean in about two minutes to R-fucking-Truth. Never mind the fact that for a solid five minutes towards the start of that really, really great match, Cole and King said absolutely nothing about what was going on the ring. They don't care - why would anyone watching?

The only show that's actually consistent is NXT, but that's internally consistent, and completely divorced from the rest of WWE TV. So divorced in fact, that Cole will repeatedly reference Ambrose being on NXT. Ambrose, who has, as the people who make the effort to actually watch WWE programming know, spent a sum total of zero seconds on NXT.

Who could be happy watching that product? Why wouldn't people tune out in droves, no matter who's champion, no matter who's in which segment? They could build a main event program of solid gold around Punk, Ryback, Cena, or hell, even Rocky, but it'd still be balanced on the same bullshit foundations that's making it a chore to watch these days, and people would continue to lose interest.
You just seem disinterested with the product like some are on here, probably because of the shitty story lines we get these days.
I just used the whole wrestlers boring tag to outline one of the many problems I have with the WWE today.

The product just isn't what it once was.


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Way back when, sometimes around when the thread first started, I voted "WWE Brand Draws." I don't think I believe that anymore. I think it is true for Wrestlemania & Royal Rumble & that's it. People still want to see stars & I don't think that will ever change. To me, C.M. Punk is just not a star. Yes, to us internet fans we know him as the guy from the Indies that worked his way up to the top & has some great mic skills & good matches. To the everyday, common viewer though, regardless of if he is heel or face, he's sort of just another guy. A year-long WWE title reign has not changed this.

C.M. Punk is not the only one though. There really aren't any stars on the show & that is the problem.
This is actually something that struck me when I was at a house show earlier this month. Cena came out in the middle of the show to fight Dolph and you really got the sense that you were watching a superstar as corny as that may sound lol. But for everybody else that same feeling wasn't there. Punk came out to face Ryback in the main event and I didn't get the same feeling that I did with Cena. He's just CM Punk. It didn't feel like I was sitting there watching a superstar make his entrance and all that, it just felt completely normal, like he was just another guy. I think part of that is to do with his heel turn because the last time I saw him live was over Mania weekend and he had a different vibe to him then as a face. I don't know. The one thing I do know, however, is that the lack of stars and star power is what's killing them, that and horribly shitty writing/structure/story arcs/whatever you want to call it.


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