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post #8031 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-23-2012, 02:38 PM
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Interesting stuff from Big Dave and Alvarez on Observer Radio today talking about Ratings and Punks lack of drawing power.

As they say, it's thanks to The Rock that Punk is still champ really. Usually when someone does regular poor numbers they just put the belt back on Cena, but cause Rock wants to face Punk and win the title, Punk keeps retaining.

So Punk marks - thank :Rock that Punk hasn't been buried yet.
That was obvious the moment he kept the belt against Ryback when the week before the PPV did a 2.5 and is bombing consistently with the worst average since 97 and probably the worst weekly ratings with no competition in RAW history. In any other situation, he's losing the belt months ago but Rock saved his run with the fact that they booked his match for Royal Rumble 6 months in advance.
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Of the top 5 worse overruns in RAW history, Punk has been involved in all 5.
LOL. That's probably true considering that they started taking overruns from 98. And even if a overrun bombed over the years, it wasn't on this level and/or the average was higher.

Ryback is 4 out of 4 with this quarter, not like it's any impressive number because the average was horrible but he was able to attract the most viewers without any promotion. He's currently hotter than Cena. Especially last week when his match with a ref in the 10pm segment, a timeslot that lost almost all his value in the last few months, gained huge. Add to that the difference he made on PPV for HIAC in his first ever main event. They need to be careful with him and his booking because he's future big money.
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Do you even read what you say? How can anyone prove to be a better draw if nobody other than Punk has been champion for the whole year?

And even hardcore Punk marks have accepted that he can't draw, you might as well join them.
Exactly. No one has been champion so no one has proven to be a better draw. Then how can you say it is Punk who is a bad draw and causing the bad ratings? Most likely it is the 3 hours since that is when the ratings started to drop.

You can only say Punk is a bad draw if someone else was champion and got better ratings during this year. It didn't happen.

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Exactly. No one has been champion so no one has proven to be a better draw. Then how can you say it is Punk who is a bad draw and causing the bad ratings? Most likely it is the 3 hours since that is when the ratings started to drop.

You can only say Punk is a bad draw if someone else was champion and got better ratings during this year. It didn't happen.
So baiscally, this year noone has been a good or a bad draw because only Punk was champ, I get it now.
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Ratings were down before the move to three hours which kills you're argument.

Remember the so called future in Punk, Ryder and Bryan (which all the idiot indy smarks on here sigged) that tanked ?

Turns out that was the future nobody wanted with their six man tag doing a horrible number.

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So baiscally, this year noone has been a good or a bad draw because only Punk was champ, I get it now.
Yes, because 3 hours is too blame for the ratings. If someone other than Punk managed to get higher ratings during 3 hours and in a year like 2012 where wrestling is not 'cool' anymore, then you could say Punk is not a good draw. But you can't cause no one else has been champion this year.

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Ratings were down before the move to three hours which kills you're argument.

Remember the so called future in Punk, Ryder and Bryan (which all the idiot indy smarks on here sigged) that tanked ?

Turns out that was the future nobody wanted with their six man tag doing a horrible number.
I stand by my argument that as a heel that Punk is right now, he would have gotten good ratings if only it was 2 hours. Hell i know many people who returned to watching WWE just because they find his heel run entertaining, but 3 hours turned them off.

Not to mention. A big part of the 'ratings' is the feuds and the booking. Punk's first few feuds as champion (Berty, Miz, Ziggler) were big turn offs compared to the whole Summer of Punk, you can't expect them to get high ratings with feuds like that.

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Daniel Bryan was World Champion on Smackdown and ratings were up.
how does that prove he is a better draw than Punk? 'Smackdown ratings'

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Exactly. No one has been champion so no one has proven to be a better draw. Then how can you say it is Punk who is a bad draw and causing the bad ratings? Most likely it is the 3 hours since that is when the ratings started to drop.

You can only say Punk is a bad draw if someone else was champion and got better ratings during this year. It didn't happen.
I never said Punk is causing the bad ratings. I just said he's not a draw which he isn't. Otherwise the ratings wouldn't continue to decrease almost weekly, 3 hours or not. Punk is not the ratings killer but as has been pointed out, he's not helping them in any way. At this point, not even the last full-time draw in Cena is of any help.

And you also contradict yourself here. This conversation started with you claiming that Punk is keeping the ratings up and anyone else would have caused them to further drop. How come now you have turned it around?

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Ratings were down before the move to three hours which kills you're argument.
Mehhh, kinda, but not really.

Yeah, ratings were down as far as in they have been on a fairly consistent downward trend annually since around 2006. However, needless to say, that was way before Punk was moved to the current focus of the show.

As per Gerweck.net:

2006- 3.90
2007- 3.61
2008- 3.27
2009- 3.57
2010- 3.28
2011- 3.21
2012 (so far)- 3.06

So in effect, it could also be said that "Ratings were down before the move" of the focus to Punk "which kills your argument." (That assumes your argument was ever that Punk was the main cause of the ratings dip, which, since I'm new here, I don't know and so will give you the benefit of the doubt.)

As per the Gerweck charts below, the ratings average from 11/21/11, when Punk won his current title, to the 1000th RAW, when the 3 hour change was made, the ratings average was approximately(~) 3.14.

After the 1000th Raw, since 3 hours has been permanent (7/30/12), the average has been ~2.86.

If we extrapolate back to 6/27/11, the night of Punk's shoot when he became the focus of the show, through to the 1000th RAW, the average was ~3.11, and from 6/27/11 (the shoot) to 11/14/11 just before Punk won the title, the ratings average was ~3.06.

So actually, since Punk won his current title up to the 1000th RAW, the ratings average took a slight bump upwards, a ~3.14 compared to either the ~3.11 and/or ~3.06 above, which ever you choose to use to compare.

So the real dive downwards does in fact appear to have started with the 3 hour change.

Also, the below charts seem to imply an annual downward trend when heading into the holiday season and then an upward trend during the Road to WM. So the inference from this is that even without Punk as champ and even without 3 hours, ratings would be down around this time of the year regardless. 3 hours just seems to make it that much lower.


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As a hardcore wrestling fan, I cannot bring myself to watch RAW with CM Punk as champion. It's not good heat. It's not bad heat. It's no heat, or dead heat/X-Pac heat. So if hardcore fans aren't inclined to watch it, what does that say about casuals? I mean even recently when WWE was shit, there was always some residual value in seeing Cena get real heat.

I hope these ratings continue to slide and the product is rebooted without VM Punk. The only reason I'm even on this site is because of the TNA forum, I just post in WWE sections because I happened to be signed up. Otherwise its worse than dead to me.
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Look at those charts, ALL wrestling is down. If Impact can't capitalize in times like these they'll never get big.






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you guys are losers, i cant believe you actually watch wrestling

i just sit at home and watch the tickets being sold off the ticketmaster website to see whos drawing

sometimes if the show is in town, i feel extra daring and go to the arena and watch them sell tickets IN PERSON

other day i started jerking off in the ticket both at all that DRAWING and had to be escorted out of the arena

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