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post #8021 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-23-2012, 12:02 PM
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I don't care what the ratings were, I enjoyed Raw this week.
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I think the biggest problem with the current title picture is that there just isn't this big face that everyone wants to see get the title. As someone pointed out a lot of the big face stars were the biggest when they were chasing the title. Cena is the closest one but it's been going on for so long, and it was screwed up by his surgery. There's also a good amount of people that don't want to see him have the title again.

Ryback became an attempt at doing something fresher but obviously that feud hasn't changed anything either. The celebration wasn't just about Punk, it was also about the feud since Ryback was invited.
Yup. This is a huge problem for the company as a whole. The closest thing they have to the big face you mention is Cena, and when at least 50% of the fanbase doesn't want to see him win the title, that's a problem. Not to mention the fact that all the momentum in that feud has been lost, partly due to Cena's injury, and partly due to the fact that they've already had them fight, and Cena lose, too many times.

They've got the same problem on the heel side. Say you've got a babyface who you want to put over in a big way. Well, there's only one heel on the active roster who can put anyone over in meaningful way and that's Punk. So, you've got a company where there's no clear #1 face that everyone is behind, and only one real, big-time heel that is capable of putting guys over. It's a problem whose roots go all the way back to 2009, when they failed to build new stars after a rash of established guys left. It took years to do, and it'll probably take years to undo (unfortunately for fans). It's issues like this, BIG issues, that have an effect on ratings. Way more so than "Guy X has the title" Super-fans can't see the forest through the trees though.
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Did you even read my post?
Course I did. And you're right. Hell I've been saying the same thing myself for forever now. Still doesn't change the fact that you're oh so very obviously butthurt about it lol.


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You guys still care to watch Raw after Punk getting away with it YET AGAIN???
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I am giving my opinion of what I think.

I could say the same about all the Punk haters. You say he can't draw, when in reality he has kept ratings steady until they changed to 3 hours. No one else has been champion this year and proven to be a better draw, then how can you say that it is Punk who can't draw? That is talking out of your ass.

If there's anything the ratings show, its that 3 hours is too long for many viewers because they have dropped big since they changed to 3 hours.
Do you even read what you say? How can anyone prove to be a better draw if nobody other than Punk has been champion for the whole year?

And even hardcore Punk marks have accepted that he can't draw, you might as well join them.
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Course I did. And you're right. Hell I've been saying the same thing myself for forever now. Still doesn't change the fact that you're oh so very obviously butthurt about it lol.
Erm, okay.

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Punk has gotten his revenge over Diesel for last year's attack..

Punk's not only surpassing Diesel in terms of #days of reign.. but also the title of 'Worst Drawing Champion' of all time.
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Yup. This is a huge problem for the company as a whole. The closest thing they have to the big face you mention is Cena, and when at least 50% of the fanbase doesn't want to see him win the title, that's a problem. Not to mention the fact that all the momentum in that feud has been lost, partly due to Cena's injury, and partly due to the fact that they've already had them fight, and Cena lose, too many times.

They've got the same problem on the heel side. Say you've got a babyface who you want to put over in a big way. Well, there's only one heel on the active roster who can put anyone over in meaningful way and that's Punk. So, you've got a company where there's no clear #1 face that everyone is behind, and only one real, big-time heel that is capable of putting guys over. It's a problem whose roots go all the way back to 2009, when they failed to build new stars after a rash of established guys left. It took years to do, and it'll probably take years to undo (unfortunately for fans). It's issues like this, BIG issues, that have an effect on ratings. Way more so than "Guy X has the title" Super-fans can't see the forest through the trees though.
Exactly. The Ryback situation is a perfect example of what's bad about only having Punk to put guys over. Punk is something WWE desperately needs because without big heels you can't tell good stories (not even the shady quality they are writing now). If Ryback goes over Punk there's a big risk of an anti-climax since there will be no one else for Ryback to face that has any credibility, and that jump is pretty much going from nobody to unopposed.

Of course some feel that it's an anti-climax that Ryback doesn't get this rub now but I think that's a lesser problem than what the other scenario would present. We can only hope that this new stable is written well enough so it's a first step to fixing this mess.

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Do you even read what you say? How can anyone prove to be a better draw if nobody other than Punk has been champion for the whole year?

And even hardcore Punk marks have accepted that he can't draw, you might as well join them.
You don't have to have a title to draw. As someone said a few pages back even The Rock had most of his best days chasing the title, rather than being champion. Since he's one of the biggest draws of all time that shows that it's rather being in good main event stories that is being at the top and the title is just a feud prop in that regard. Of course the title means something, but not so much as you seem to allude to.

Therefor the drawing responsibility isn't solely on Punk here, it's just as much with the faces chasing his title as well. It's just that there's no one that is a big draw anymore, which of course partially has to do with that wrestling overall isn't hot anymore, plus that the show is poorly written and very long so it's pretty demanding to sit through it on TV.
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Punk has gotten his revenge over Diesel for last year's attack..

Punk's not only surpassing Diesel in terms of #days of reign.. but also the title of 'Worst Drawing Champion' of all time.
Not just yet, unless you mean exclusively in terms of RAW ratings. As I already stated earlier here, Nash not only bombed in ratings, but in selling out arenas. A lot of the WWEs major territories were only filling arenas half or a quarter full under Nash, such as Madison Square or in Montreal (which led to the Carl Ouellet incident), with fans today recollecting how embarrassed they were to be at those shows.

I have yet to hear such stories of Punk (not to say for sure there aren't possibly some out there, I just have yet to hear of it.) I also understand that Punk is so far doing better PPV numbers than Nash as well, now that they are FINALLY giving him the main events when the year is almost over.

Punk also moves about around as much merchandise as Cena, which is far better than Nash did in WWE. He didn't start moving much until the NWO/Wolfpack era.

All of these things factor in as well.

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Exactly. The Ryback situation is a perfect example of what's bad about only having Punk to put guys over. Punk is something WWE desperately needs because without big heels you can't tell good stories (not even the shady quality they are writing now). If Ryback goes over Punk there's a big risk of an anti-climax since there will be no one else for Ryback to face that has any credibility, and that jump is pretty much going from nobody to unopposed.
That almost seems like exactly the problem that's led to Del Rio's fall. Punk was still face at the time, and so with Del Rio pretty much the only major heel in the title picture at the time, he was used to put over every major face over the past year to the point where he just doesn't seem like a credible threat anymore. With every new feud we just expect him to get squashed. But they don't have enough believable heels, especially for Smackdown, and so they just keep throwing Del Rio in there again and again, and with each loss his credibility as a threat gets that much more diluted.
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