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post #7931 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 12:54 PM
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Okay, so you had the decency to mark the parts that supposedly made you feel the way you do in this post so I have to address them both.

Firstly, how does saying that he doesn't have the talent to deserve a 1 year title reign translate to "legit hate the guy and want him to die"?

And the sewer line you also bolded is a J-O-K-E. You know, like when somebody makes a thread saying "Should _____ be pushed?" and the obligatory "Yeah, off a cliff/out the door" responses that follow. I'm surprised you took it this seriously considering the fact that you were jerking off all over the place for that heart-attack segment.
see?, this is the part where I can hardly take your post seriously, the tone of the whole response seems completely hostile even tho I said that sure you don't like it, not everybody does, but you seem to not only dislike cm punk the character but you legit hate the persons guts, I dislike John cena the character like nobody else, but I admit the wrestler, the person itself has talent, is a workhorse and it's overall a nice guy, you seem to just hate cm punk whatever he is, to the point where most people could think that if you see him in the streets you would shoot him on sight

and what's funny that even tho you say in past conversations that everything is mostly your opinion you keep pushing everything you say as a fact regarding him, that's what I meant that people hardly take post like that seriously because they seem outright trollish
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Which is why I put a lot of the blame on guys current Raw head writer Dave Kapoor (best known for his on screen appearences as Khali's manager 'Ranjin Singh') rather than guys like Brian Gerwitz who got fired last time Vince had a rant about low ratings. Kapoor must really lick a lot of ass in WWE The AJ/Cena angle in particular is shit, and I'm surprised Cena agreed to do it even with the added perk of getting to grope and kiss AJ.

Amongst other things, one of the worst descisions Vince ever made was putting Stephanie as Executive Vice President of Creative. Much easier to blame other people and bury your head in the sand at corporate meetings claiming that you're happy with the ratings rather than blame daddy's little girl though .
AJ and Cena don't have chemistry like AJ and DB. Cena can't really act out these more dramatic storylines or make it convincing. But even that's not it. Whole thing is random as fuck and seems like it's leading absolutely nowhere, which is what will probably end up happening, just like the embrace the hate, bigger picture, conspiracy, and the whole Cena losing to Rock.

Also, like what Starbuck said, not many peeps are able to carry the show on their name alone, and those people are, Orton, Punk, and Cena, these dudes have been run dry, and it's looking bad. The show needs a big direction change because their doesn't seem to be much star power at all anymore. As for Steph, LOL forgot she was in charge of creative. I remember someone mentioning that to me, but geez, some of this shit....


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But to be honest I'm not sure how much Vince and Co pay attention to these ratings anymore.
Oh, Vince does care for ratings. If not, he wouldn't freak out over a 2.5 rating like he did a few weeks ago. And more importantly, the network cares about ratings.
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Vince not appearing = ratings slump





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see?, this is the part where I can hardly take your post seriously, the tone of the whole response seems completely hostile even tho I said that sure you don't like it, not everybody does, but you seem to not only dislike cm punk the character but you legit hate the persons guts, I dislike John cena the character like nobody else, but I admit the wrestler, the person itself has talent, is a workhorse and it's overall a nice guy, you seem to just hate cm punk whatever he is, to the point where most people could think that if you see him in the streets you would shoot him on sight

and what's funny that even tho you say in past conversations that everything is mostly your opinion you keep pushing everything you say as a fact regarding him, that's what I meant that people hardly take post like that seriously because they seem outright trollish
Just what in the world are you talking about? I see absolutely no connection between this post and what you responded to.

There was no hostility in my post because I was legit laughing while pressing the "Submit Reply" button and it may look like I hate Punk beyond the character but that's a complete misunderstanding. I don't care for Punk the person (the way I've gotten to know him outside the ring, he comes across as an egotistical, obnoxious, whiny douchebag) and strongly dislike the on-screen character but what kind of hyperbole shit is - to rephrase your point - "you look like you would shoot him in the streets"?

And no, I don't push anything as a fact and if I do, I would like to see it pointed out because I see none of it "pushed as fact". Things like talent are subjective so of course I'm going to present it from my own point of view but it's not like I say "It's a fact he's not talented enough to deserve a push" or whatever. Oh, and one of the parts you highlighted on my post that you first responded to, I clearly used "IMO" inside the parenthesis. This type of complete twisting of my posts is exactly why I don't take 99% of the Punk marks mad at me seriously. There are some I respect like NearFall and The Sandrone, but the majority try to make up a bunch of garbage to make me look stupid ("Y U HATE PUNK 4 BAD RATINGZ!!!").

Joke's on you!
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Just what in the world are you talking about? I see absolutely no connection between this post and what you responded to.

There was no hostility in my post because I was legit laughing while pressing the "Submit Reply" button and it may look like I hate Punk beyond the character but that's a complete misunderstanding. I don't care for Punk the person (the way I've gotten to know him outside the ring, he comes across as an egotistical, obnoxious, whiny douchebag) and strongly dislike the on-screen character but what kind of hyperbole shit is - to rephrase your point - "you look like you would shoot him in the streets"?

And no, I don't push anything as a fact and if I do, I would like to see it pointed out because I see none of it "pushed as fact". Things like talent are subjective so of course I'm going to present it from my own point of view but it's not like I say "It's a fact he's not talented enough to deserve a push" or whatever. Oh, and one of the parts you highlighted on my post that you first responded to, I clearly used "IMO" inside the parenthesis. This type of complete twisting of my posts is exactly why I don't take 99% of the Punk marks mad at me seriously. There are some I respect like NearFall and The Sandrone, but the majority try to make up a bunch of garbage to make me look stupid ("Y U HATE PUNK 4 BAD RATINGZ!!!").

Joke's on you!
I think the joke's on you man, for a guy that claims to dislike punk or not care about the person at all you seem to go out of your way to post how much you dislike, hate, push your subjective opinions of him in each and every single thread iregardles if it is about him or not
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I think the joke's on you man, for a guy that claims to dislike punk or not care about the person at all you seem to go out of your way to post how much you dislike, hate, push your subjective opinions of him in each and every single thread iregardles if it is about him or not
Except that's not true. And recently, I have pretty much stopped talking about him outside of this thread and General WWE threads where he's relevant. The first page of the Raw section is always dominated by Punk discussion and at most, I have only made 1 post in them as they are right now. And why do you keep changing the subject? One moment you are concerned about how badly I hate him, then another you are talking about me being in every thread posting about him, which is exactly what my previous post pointed out. FALSE ACCUSATIONS.

And you still failed to point out where I pushed my opinion as "fact" or said anything resembling "I want Punk to die" or "I wish he would get shot". I might have posted in most threads Punk-related weeks ago (and what can you do when about 8/10 of the first page is Punk threads?) but I've pretty much stopped because there's really no point in doing it even though the reaction from the army of angry dogs that come to Punk's defense even if he would have killed a group of fans in the streets is hilarious.
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You completely missed the point of what I'm trying to get at by posting the Raw ratings since 1998.

I've already said that I understand why ratings dropped at the start of the decade. The 'Attitude Era' boom period being over was the single biggest reason for that. I've also said that ratings for a good few years remained pretty much on an even keel and were pretty much what you'd expect.

But asides from the increase in 2009, we are now really starting to see noticeable ratings drops in line with the show actually getting shittier and more and more people complaining about it. You can deny that if you want but the evidence is all there.

I often see people saying 'the way we now consume media has changed' as a defence for ratings this year being so bad. It's 2012. People didn't just suddenly start DVR'ing and watching shows online recently. I was DVR'ing Raw back in 2004. The shit they're putting out now is baffling most people (who can't understand why something that entertained them a lot not so long back in, say 2005 for instance barely entertains them at all now) and slowly but surely turning them away once their ingrained fanboy loyalty to WWE finally burns out. There are numerous and severe problems with the direction WWE have taken their product in recent times (not least of all the shows now being 3 hours and mostly full of 'filler' crap), and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they continue to shed viewers more quickly over the next couple of years than they have done over the entire last decade unless they do something about it.
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I loled when you said you DVRed back in 2004 so you just assume everybody else did then too. You don't represent the entire viewing audience, sorry. And DVRs are accounted for in ratings anyway. That isn't really what is changing. Don't feel like writing a 5 page paper on how consumption of media has changed, tho.



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I think we can all concur that until Mr. Laurinaitis returns, ratings will never go back up again.

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Let's be very honest here. If John Cena was champion for the last 6-8 months or someone like RKO/Sheamus people would be ripping them for the ratings sucking. But because it's CM Punk as WWE Champion people are unwilling to pin any blame on him. The way the internet protects is very similar to how the media protects the President -- he can do no wrong and if there are problems its because of his surroundings.

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