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post #7921 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 08:59 AM
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The periodic drop in ratings from 1998 is not because the company is dying. It is because of the way we now consume media largely coupled with wrestling not being quite as popular, less important.

ZOMGZZ RATINGS DROPPED 21% FROM 2000 TO 2001, COMPANY WAS DYING THEN TOO!!

They've only dropped 15% since 2007, a 6 year period
You completely missed the point of what I'm trying to get at by posting the Raw ratings since 1998.

I've already said that I understand why ratings dropped at the start of the decade. The 'Attitude Era' boom period being over was the single biggest reason for that. I've also said that ratings for a good few years remained pretty much on an even keel and were pretty much what you'd expect.

But asides from the increase in 2009, we are now really starting to see noticeable ratings drops in line with the show actually getting shittier and more and more people complaining about it. You can deny that if you want but the evidence is all there.

I often see people saying 'the way we now consume media has changed' as a defence for ratings this year being so bad. It's 2012. People didn't just suddenly start DVR'ing and watching shows online recently. I was DVR'ing Raw back in 2004. The shit they're putting out now is baffling most people (who can't understand why something that entertained them a lot not so long back in, say 2005 for instance barely entertains them at all now) and slowly but surely turning them away once their ingrained fanboy loyalty to WWE finally burns out. There are numerous and severe problems with the direction WWE have taken their product in recent times (not least of all the shows now being 3 hours and mostly full of 'filler' crap), and it honestly wouldn't surprise me if they continue to shed viewers more quickly over the next couple of years than they have done over the entire last decade unless they do something about it.


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Cena's drawing power has been slowly but surely dying over the past 2 or 3 years. He isn't able to get by on his name alone anymore because he's been over-saturated to the point of near irrelevance tbh. He isn't the powerhouse TV draw he used to be. People aren't buying it anymore. Yeah, he's still the best they currently have and the best full time guy they have but that isn't saying much when things are slipping and continue to slip like they are. I've always said that Punk isn't a ratings killer but at the same time he sure as hell isn't helping matters at all. Well at this point, Cena, in his current form, isn't helping things either. The entire product is stale and completely lifeless. The Rock's, Brock's HHH's and Undertaker's are only band aids to the real problem. When they're gone, the problem still exists. Until they fix that, things will continue to drop.


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3 hours is really killing them. For a show that's aimed at kids I would not be surprised if it's the kids tuning out to go to bed or whatever. I personally have never watched the entirety of the 3 hour show, just record it and skim through it the next day. If I do that and I'm a supposed member or the IWC, imagine that casuals/kiddies.

Punk is red hot right now, anyone who doesn't see that is someone who dislikes him. That's cool, each to their own, but this ratings thing needs to be looked at logically and not through eyes of hate.

If Monday night was a two hour show it would of been amazing. We get about an hour of boring SD feuds like Orton against Barret/Del Rio for the 50,000th time and directionless tag team stuff. Add in tout and millions of ad breaks.
i couldn't agree more. The 3 hours is all that the blame should go to, it is far too long, even when i'm forwarding stuff it feels too long. If they go back to 2 hours, the show will be awesome as they will have relevant storylines that will fill up the show, and not filler annoying crap like Smackdown rematches and jobber matches, not to mention touts and replays.

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post #7924 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 09:27 AM
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A lot of long wrestling matches that mean nothing = low ratings.

People need a story to get invested in a match. Thats the structure of wrestling since the late 60's. You'd think WWE would know that.
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Cena's drawing power has been slowly but surely dying over the past 2 or 3 years. He isn't able to get by on his name alone anymore because he's been over-saturated to the point of near irrelevance tbh. He isn't the powerhouse TV draw he used to be. People aren't buying it anymore. Yeah, he's still the best they currently have and the best full time guy they have but that isn't saying much when things are slipping and continue to slip like they are. I've always said that Punk isn't a ratings killer but at the same time he sure as hell isn't helping matters at all. Well at this point, Cena, in his current form, isn't helping things either. The entire product is stale and completely lifeless. The Rock's, Brock's HHH's and Undertaker's are only band aids to the real problem. When they're gone, the problem still exists. Until they fix that, things will continue to drop.
See here's the thing I agree, I don't think Punk is a monster draw but I'd be pretty confident hes level in terms of drawing an audience to RAW as Cena is today, neither of them are going to bring flocks of fans for the entire show but both guys do decent/good numbers in their segments.

were also in the age of the internet, I don't need to watch the entire show to see what Punk and Cena did, I'll just YouTube it on my Smart Phone the next day. Things have changed.



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How many people you think stream WWE events and PPVs now?

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jesus christ, I get you don't like punk, not everyone does, but some of the thing you say in all of your different punk diatribes are borderline ridiculous, it's like you legit hate the guy and want him to die or something out of some personal spite :
Okay, so you had the decency to mark the parts that supposedly made you feel the way you do in this post so I have to address them both.

Firstly, how does saying that he doesn't have the talent to deserve a 1 year title reign translate to "legit hate the guy and want him to die"?

And the sewer line you also bolded is a J-O-K-E. You know, like when somebody makes a thread saying "Should _____ be pushed?" and the obligatory "Yeah, off a cliff/out the door" responses that follow. I'm surprised you took it this seriously considering the fact that you were jerking off all over the place for that heart-attack segment.
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How many people you think stream WWE events and PPVs now?
Streaming and Downloading has got to be in the millions. Monday Night RAW and the PPV are always at the top of torrent list 's the day after. Streaming, there are always thousands of tweets during the PPV or show. I check these kind of things just to see the online buzz.
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Streaming and Downloading has got to be in the millions. Monday Night RAW and the PPV are always at the top of torrent list 's the day after. Streaming, there are always thousands of tweets during the PPV or show. I check these kind of things just to see the online buzz.
im from portugal and i download PPV the day after. Same thing for RAW.

Yes WWE is broadcasted on TV but we have a delay around 2/3 weeks from whats going on in the US and they dont show PPVīs live also.
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post #7930 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-21-2012, 12:39 PM
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Punk celebration should have kicked off the show. I really can't blame him for the dip in ratings during the actual celebration. It's 3 hours, and they pushed him on the air with his celebration at 10:57 PM.

That's just ridiculous.

But to be honest I'm not sure how much Vince and Co pay attention to these ratings anymore. I think there are quite a bit of people watching the shows on Hulu, and do DVR recordings even count in ratings? So I think we should all keep that in mind when we see ratings that look unimpressive.

I mean I know for me I haven't watched a non sporting event live in about 10 years. So if DVR recording don't count in the ratings than they're missing out on a portion of the audience.
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