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post #7651 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-12-2012, 09:08 AM
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So you're saying Flair wasn't the draw back during his heel dominance with the NWA title? Hmm......
Of course but it takes two to draw. In this case, the babyfaces Luger, Steamboat and Sting chasing the heel champion Flair is what drew back then.
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post #7652 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-12-2012, 06:31 PM
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Of course but it takes two to draw. In this case, the babyfaces Luger, Steamboat and Sting chasing the heel champion Flair is what drew back then.
Except Flair drew huge crowds against nobodies in several territories as the NWA champ... people paid to see Flair get his ass kicked. That was the draw. Granted, you want both the face and heel to be draws, but of the two the most important factor is the heel. You can last forever with a heel champion giving up rare wins. It makes you want to watch... after a few years of a super baby face beating all the odds, people stop caring. There is no intensity or drama. Even Hogan started to wane at points and you'd see him drop the title in some fashion from time to time.

What really seems to work best though, are heels that can win cleanly, but aren't afraid to cheat in some matches when they might lose and mix that with a more pissed off, harder edged face that can lose often enough. It lets teh audience hate the heel not only for cheating to win, but knowing full well he really is that damn good to win cleanly and all the while lets them actually connect to the face since he isn't some super clean unrealistic super hero that only little kids can latch onto.

People like to think Rock and Austin were only big because of certain elements, but it was the fact they were dynamic characters that believably could take each other to the limit. Same with HHH, Foley, Taker, HBK, Hart... you could believe any of them winning and you didn't know what to expect day in or day out because there was no "well, he always overcomes the odds...". Austin got his ass handed to him quite a few times... and Foley more than was probably necessary

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I'm expecting a huge drop during/after that awful Punk/Heyman segment, just look at the WWE facebook page right now. Tons of people are saying how they turned off the channel after that/are never watching again/etc.

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post #7654 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 02:18 AM
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I'm expecting a huge drop during/after that awful Punk/Heyman segment, just look at the WWE facebook page right now. Tons of people are saying how they turned off the channel after that/are never watching again/etc.
I wasn't the biggest fan of that segment, but I'll admit it did get a bit of a laugh out of me (when Punk 'revived' Heyman and then said 'You almost gave me a heart attack!' Sorry.)

As for the Facebook complainers...they'll probably be back watching next week as normal. If not...then I'm not gonna lie and pretend to be upset about WWE losing some of the Soccer moms/sensitive kids audience too much.

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I wouldn't be begging for them back either, but some on here were changing the channel too. Although, it wasn't just from that segment. We had that awful AJ/Vickie segment (I was going to change but I heard Cena's music), the bullshit heart attack recap, the offensive to some Punk/Heyman segment, etc. And that all happened in about an hour

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I'm expecting a huge drop during/after that awful Punk/Heyman segment, just look at the WWE facebook page right now. Tons of people are saying how they turned off the channel after that/are never watching again/etc.
I hope to god that segment loses viewers. If IM Punk kills viewership enough times, there might be a small chance at a revival for 2013.
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I don't think it will lose viewers. It was like a train wreck, you just couldn't look away lol.
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I don't think it will lose viewers. It was like a train wreck, you just couldn't look away lol.
I will laugh like a madman if in fact, it gained ratings during that segment, the Punk Rating haters tears will be hilarious and I'm already predicting it

"this is disgusting, fuck WWE, and fuck the world, how they can gain viewers by doing something so awful!!"
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post #7659 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 12:27 PM
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Unless anyone gets the minute by minute ratings nobody will be able to tell if it lost viewers or didnt. Sorry to burst anyones bubble.

The segment took place in Quarter 5. A quarter that usually draws solid, so unless it completely bombs and loses viewers its not gonna be able to tell how it did.
That the following quarter loses viewers will prove nothing since its the quarters that most likely loses viewers on a show.
Doesnt help that it consisted of mostly backstage segments, commercial, ring entrances and a bit of the 8 man tag.
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post #7660 of 9175 (permalink) Old 11-13-2012, 12:46 PM
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You had 2 shitty segments, AJ/Vickie/Ziggler/Cena then 15 minutes of Punk ripping on Lawler for his heart attack.

Followed by 2 squash matches in a row, followed by a random squash segment backstage.

Umm...

Yeah. I'm thinking this is not the magical formula for ratings.
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