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post #7471 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-28-2012, 06:35 PM
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Re: Heel Cena would pull 4.0 ratings

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Now granted, WWE would lose merchandise sales with this.
Do you realize how much Cena as he is now is worth to the WWE?

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Michele Steele of ESPN sent out a tweet just yesterday saying WWE claims Cena was a $106 million retail brand ... by himself. PWTorch confirmed the story and added that with the company posting $477.7 million in total revenue that year, Cena can be credited with roughly 22-percent of it.

The idea of turning him heel is ludicrous when looking at numbers like that.
For this simple reason alone, they will not turn him heel.
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post #7472 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-28-2012, 06:47 PM
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Do you realize how much Cena as he is now is worth to the WWE?

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For this simple reason alone, they will not turn him heel.
Actually Dave Meltzer debunked that claim when the report originally came out...

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Let me know when some of the reporters using that figure use their brain and realize how completely full of shit it is.

No one person is responsible for 22% of company revenue. The very idea of it is preposterous. If Cena is moving $106 million in anything, he should be earning $40-50 million a year instead of a small fraction of that.

That's like in 1991 when some similar full of shit report talked about how WWF was a $1.7 billion dollar a year company and it got repeated everywhere when the company actually only grossed $125 million the previous year.

I know it was on our site as well.

Look at WWE revenues by category and see what Cena meant.

He means a little bit on house shows, a little bit on PPV, a little on DVDs (the majority of which he's only a part of or not even a part of at all), he means virtually nothing when it comes to the TV money which is under contract whether he's with the company or not and doesn't go up when he's there and down when he's not there.

This isn't a guy who is the difference between 250,000 buys and 800,000 buys. And while his merch moves. Total merch for last year was $45 million so even if he means 20% of that, you're still talking $8 million.

The best you're getting is Cena means maybe 5% of total revenue of $478 million or $24 million, and that's giving him the benefit of a lot of numbers that may not be warranted and giving him 20% of merch which is a shot in the dark number likely way higher than the real number.

I know it was on this site as well. I saw that figure and I just thought, common sense says it's a full of shit number and moved on. Then when everyone started going with it, I satdown and tried to figure if it was possible, and it's not.
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1 man and his turn doesn't equal ratings! Do you think people who don't care about wrestling will suddenly care? no. Wrestling is not cool anymore. Do you honestly believe a heel turn will improve creative and the booking?

1 man doesn't equal ratings! Get over it. If Cena is such a draw why do we have such low ratings? do you think because he doesn't have a championship belt, people would start watching again? So get off this is he/isn't he a draw. You draw and fail collectively not as individuals.

Even during the beloved Attitude era you had Austin, Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Kane, Jericho etc. collectively they all could draw if you had a show with the same low-mid cards and same writers as today but Austin was on top of the card do you think it would of drawn? no. The reason it did draw the ratings it did was because of everyone who performed as well as the backstage crew. Which made for an entertaining show.

Individually 1 person can draw but it won't make much difference to the overall ratings. To make a 3.5-4.0 you need more than 1 person. Especially over 3 hours. Cm Punk drew me back to wrestling but how come the ratings haven't went up? To every 1 person who is happy with a decision there's another guy who's pissed about it
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Yeah, but some people are still clueless about this. They think one guy equals ratings. Well, let this thing happen, so we can see this fantasy ratings coming, . Anyone who thinks one guy equals ratings is just clueless, You need at least 5 or 6 guys that can draw to pull that kind of a rating. Like in 2006/7/8 they had Trips, Michaels, Batista, Edge, Cena, Taker, Jericho, Show, adding Punk, (Heel) Orton too. Now we only have Cena, Punk, Show, and sometimes Orton, this especially not enough for a 3 hours show.
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If Cena is such a draw why do we have such low ratings? do you think because he doesn't have a championship belt, people would start watching again? So get off this is he/isn't he a draw. You draw and fail collectively not as individuals.

Even during the beloved Attitude era you had Austin, Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Kane, Jericho etc. collectively they all could draw if you had a show with the same low-mid cards and same writers as today but Austin was on top of the card do you think it would of drawn? no. The reason it did draw the ratings it did was because of everyone who performed as well as the backstage crew. Which made for an entertaining show.

Individually 1 person can draw but it won't make much difference to the overall ratings. To make a 3.5-4.0 you need more than 1 person. Especially over 3 hours. Cm Punk drew me back to wrestling but how come the ratings haven't went up? To every 1 person who is happy with a decision there's another guy who's pissed about it.
You contradicted yourself in your post, but you make some sense. It's the same deal every time, one or two big names draw people to the event, but the undercard is what keeps people interested and engaged throughout. The undercard warms up the crowd to the bout they came to see, but they aren't the ones drawing people in, per se. That's what the main event is for. That's why they market the main events for. So when people post how a guy with the IC title doesn't draw it doesn't make sense. They aren't supposed to draw, they are the guys who keep people interested in the show.


Read: Names like John Cena, The Rock, and Brock Lesnar are draws. Names like Dolph Ziggler, Zach Ryder, and Kofi Kingston are not. They are not driving forces to bring people in the show.
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Actually Dave Meltzer debunked that claim when the report originally came out...
Okay, didn't see that. My original point stands. The guy brings a lot of cash into the business. You don't change a sure thing.
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It's never going to happen Vince has never had the balls to turn his biggest faces hell outside of Bret & Shawn in 1997. He never did it to Hogan and Austin's heel turn was 100% HIS idea and pretty much ruined the rest of his career. hate to say it but John Cena will NEVER turn heel no matter how bad business gets.
Nah it didn't the Austin of 2001 was far less popular than his character of the late nineties. He was stale and boring and allying with Vince McMahon actually was shocking for it's day. The problem was the booking after that and then a second swerve literally months later when he nonsensically joined WCW.
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Nah it didn't the Austin of 2001 was far less popular than his character of the late nineties. He was stale and boring and allying with Vince McMahon actually was shocking for it's day. The problem was the booking after that and then a second swerve literally months later when he nonsensically joined WCW.
Austin said it himself he wished he never turned heel because by the end of match with The Rock whatever edge he thought he had lost going in he got back. The whole thing was a joke a night after it happened because they needed to jump the shark with putting him together with Triple H because they knew the fans would not boo him otherwise.



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This explains everything I dislike about John Cena.
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Lots of people out of power in the east coast unexpectedly. Expect lowwww ratings.

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Lots of people out of power in the east coast unexpectedly. Expect lowwww ratings.
I'm on Long Island, NY... I STILL GOT THAT POWAH!

Though we have lost it once today so far for a second, and the weather is only going to get worse. Hoping it hangs in there until the end of Raw. *fingers crossed*

But yeah, ratings might be lower due to the power going out for Raw. If so, I hope the people who blame Punk weekly will spice up their stories a bit. Like how Punk knew he was gonna fail in ratings again and called on the wrath of Hurricane Sandy to knock out the power of many people so the low ratings could be justified... or some shit like that.

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Power going out will lead to less total viewers of course but it shouldn't impact the overall number (like 3.1 or whatever). Unless a greater percentage of people on the east coast watch then compared to other parts of the US the rating shouldn't be affected.
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