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post #7421 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-25-2012, 09:44 PM
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I'll be the first to admit I'm a little bias but I always try to go by facts therefore my bias only comes from me being happy whenever Punk flops. For the "hot topic" here, Punk not being a draw shouldn't even be debated.

On Raw 1000, they had about 6 million viewers and Punk got the ball to run with and he attacked The Rock to turn heel. By next week, half these viewers were gone as expected. And there's no "he didn't get to main event" or "WWE intentionally held him down" excuse to cover this up. Fact that the indy midget* was not a good enough draw to keep the viewers they managed to bring back for that one night. Try explaining that one to everyone that disputes Punk not being a draw!

His segments (with far better proven draws such as Vince or Cena btw) gaining 500k or 1 million viewers that all tuned out in the previous (filler) segments don't mean shit. And before somebody talks about me saying Ryback or whoever else is a draw, I'm only joking there and frankly, I don't care about them. Only thing that matters to me is Punk flopping in becoming what WWE wishes he could be. That's all and I'm not even gonna pretend otherwise.

* = I have nothing against independent (or short) wrestlers. It's just that term fits Punk to a T, so I'll use it when I see fit.
Except it doesn't suit Punk to a T... just how many 6'1 midgets have you seen? It might fit Aries, Bourne or Bryan, but not Punk. You are being ridiculous as per usual.


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Unfortunately, I don't think wrestling can become huge again. The Attitude Era is the greatest era ever and it can't be replaced but can't be duplicated either. With stricter rules and more awareness regarding the consequences of blading left & right and taking huge bumps, it was shown that such a thing cannot last very long. Now unless wrestling becomes like the AE again, it will not reach another popular era and is likely going to fade out with its dying popularity while MMA/UFC is on the way in. And we all know another AE wont happen because the wrestlers can't just jump from cells, land on thumbtacks, take chair shots to the head or blade every other week since the effort is more put into stopping deaths at a young age rather than pushing the wrestlers towards the edge.
That's not ALL Attitude was and you know it

I'd honestly be really happy if WWE just gave me a product that didn't feel like a 3 hour long commercial that featured wrestling breaks.

The things TNA is doing appeal to me, for example. That's why I watch it. I think the push of Bobby Roode as the #1 guy was great. It started off a bit rocky at first with how he first won the title, and I thought they kinda fucked up on that, but the rest of his reign was awesome. It makes Punk's reign look like crap in comparison. He had great matches, he could talk well, he did a terrific job as the mega heel champion, his rivalry with James Storm was awesome, but most importantly, TNA presented him AS a champion. They did basically everything in their power to take a guy who had been in a tag team the preceding 4 years and make the man seem like a legit champion. Guess what? People were into him. Punk, on the other hand, they've so badly fucked up with him that I'd rather not watch anymore.

I don't even really care about the giant brawls, occasional swearing, sexual themes or violence in TNA. Sure its there, but there's more. The biggest difference I see is that they're more willing to let guys have creative input into their characters, and help them accentuate their strengths. Look at Bully Ray. 3 years ago, did anyone think that he'd eventually turn into the best heel in the industry? Not a chance. TNA took the risk with him and there was great reward. Ditto with Austin Aries, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christian, and all sorts of other guys at some point in the past.

WWE, in stark contrast, will take a guy like Christian, who flourished in TNA, and have him dance with Brodus and lose the WHC to Randy Orton 2 days after winning the damn thing because Vince has this stupid idea in his head. Dolph Ziggler is very competent on the mic, yet he hardly ever gets the chance to talk. Daniel Bryan is terrific in ring, so the Fed decides to stick him with a limited move set where he repeats the same 5-7 moves over and over again. Zack Ryder was really over with the fans, so the WWE decides to stick him with John Cena to quell the boos and eventually Ryder is kicked to the curb. Why is it that they don't just let these guys work? They're always saddled with bullshit. That's not to say that the WWE has always been this way, lots of guys have had input and been allowed to showcase their strengths. This era...not so much it seems.



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Except it doesn't suit Punk to a T... just how many 6'1 midgets have you seen? It might fit Aries, Bourne or Bryan, but not Punk. You are being ridiculous as per usual.
ditto, heck, that means shawn michaels is an "indy vanilla midget" since he is not much taller than Cm punk, or chris jericho
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They need to take action quick.. The ratings have not been this low since the mid 90's and if this isn't a warning sign for danger then I don't know what is.I'm sure wwe can live off of merch sales but even the ppv buys are down.The problem with wwe right now is that no one is stepping up to change things and that is going to hurt them in the end.WWE is not the only wrestling company that is suffering because tna has been hitting all time lows as well.If wwe does go down I am affraid the entire industry will fall as well.

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They need to take action quick.. The ratings have not been this low since the mid 90's and if this isn't a warning sign for danger then I don't know what is.I'm sure wwe can live off of merch sales but even the ppv buys are down.The problem with wwe right now is that no one is stepping up to change things and that is going to hurt them in the end.WWE is not the only wrestling company that is suffering because tna has been hitting all time lows as well.If wwe does go down I am affraid the entire industry will fall as well.
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That's not ALL Attitude was and you know it

I'd honestly be really happy if WWE just gave me a product that didn't feel like a 3 hour long commercial that featured wrestling breaks.

The things TNA is doing appeal to me, for example. That's why I watch it. I think the push of Bobby Roode as the #1 guy was great. It started off a bit rocky at first with how he first won the title, and I thought they kinda fucked up on that, but the rest of his reign was awesome. It makes Punk's reign look like crap in comparison. He had great matches, he could talk well, he did a terrific job as the mega heel champion, his rivalry with James Storm was awesome, but most importantly, TNA presented him AS a champion. They did basically everything in their power to take a guy who had been in a tag team the preceding 4 years and make the man seem like a legit champion. Guess what? People were into him. Punk, on the other hand, they've so badly fucked up with him that I'd rather not watch anymore.

I don't even really care about the giant brawls, occasional swearing, sexual themes or violence in TNA. Sure its there, but there's more. The biggest difference I see is that they're more willing to let guys have creative input into their characters, and help them accentuate their strengths. Look at Bully Ray. 3 years ago, did anyone think that he'd eventually turn into the best heel in the industry? Not a chance. TNA took the risk with him and there was great reward. Ditto with Austin Aries, Christopher Daniels, Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Christian, and all sorts of other guys at some point in the past.

WWE, in stark contrast, will take a guy like Christian, who flourished in TNA, and have him dance with Brodus and lose the WHC to Randy Orton 2 days after winning the damn thing because Vince has this stupid idea in his head. Dolph Ziggler is very competent on the mic, yet he hardly ever gets the chance to talk. Daniel Bryan is terrific in ring, so the Fed decides to stick him with a limited move set where he repeats the same 5-7 moves over and over again. Zack Ryder was really over with the fans, so the WWE decides to stick him with John Cena to quell the boos and eventually Ryder is kicked to the curb. Why is it that they don't just let these guys work? They're always saddled with bullshit. That's not to say that the WWE has always been this way, lots of guys have had input and been allowed to showcase their strengths. This era...not so much it seems.
very limited thinking and every talent is put into a small box they are only allowed to work within. add vince's random horrible ideas and the classic build them up only to tear them shortly after formula with a twist of corny ass supermen cena, sheamus, and now ryback and that's the wwe in 2012.
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I wonder if Cm Punk was bad in art class when he was a kid the other kids probably were bitching at him saying bla bla bla you can't draw.
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Unfortunately, I don't think wrestling can become huge again. The Attitude Era is the greatest era ever and it can't be replaced but can't be duplicated either. With stricter rules and more awareness regarding the consequences of blading left & right and taking huge bumps, it was shown that such a thing cannot last very long. Now unless wrestling becomes like the AE again, it will not reach another popular era and is likely going to fade out with its dying popularity while MMA/UFC is on the way in. And we all know another AE wont happen because the wrestlers can't just jump from cells, land on thumbtacks, take chair shots to the head or blade every other week since the effort is more put into stopping deaths at a young age rather than pushing the wrestlers towards the edge.
They need to lighten up on the pg content, and they need more than 1 larger than life character with some ground breaking story lines. The key problem was messing up with the OVER talent that they already had and using that generation to put over this one that is coming up, and so on. Now they're all in TNA or japan, and HHH and Taker are still main eventing MANIA. It just seems like WWE is starting from scratch and this strong PG content is seriously holding the new guys back, not to mention the shit booking. Look at PTP, they lost AW, and now they're not as interesting as when they first had AW join there team, road is rocky again.

There's a horrible fluctuating pattern going on in the WWE, there's another example, and it's a pretty sad example, which is Miz.


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The only reason there is a ratings thread is because people were bitching about Cm Punk FACT
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