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post #7311 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-24-2012, 08:58 AM
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Re: With the Raw rating being the worst in 15 years...

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I see the similarities but the WWE now doesn't have the competition WCW had. TNA isn't big enough of a threat to put the WWE in danger, which basically means that mainstream wrestling/sports entertainment has to die completely to put WWE out of business.

As for point 5, while I agree that the "18 seconds" decision was terrible and a slap in the face for everyone that wanted to see DB at the "biggest stage of them all", Bryan's reaction grew enormously immediately after the match and probably was at an all time high the Raw after WM. So I think, per accident, they didn't kill his momentum and Bryan probably would be less prominent on Raw if this never happened.
I'm talking about the weeks following WrestleMania. When Rock was on RAW afterwards, the YES chants were deafening, not since SCSA has a wrestler solicited such a response with a one-word catchphrase. What did WWE do? Bury Bryan, effectively. They realistically should've had Bryan vs a heel Cena by the Royal Rumble. This would've worked. But they buried him, pushed CM Punk who hasn't got 30% of Bryans charisma and are still milking Super Cena. This reminds me on WCW burying Goldberg and pushing Jeff Jarrett and Kevin Nash.
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Some remarkable similarities with the end of WCW;

1) Not promoting PPV's, even in the run-in show
2) Going to three hours
3) Bringing in celebs for quick-fixes
4) Bringing in has-beens for quick fixes
5) Killing momentum of guys who are clearly over - Daniel Bryan was the most over behind Rock at WM. Fail.
That list is shockingly true. Especially the Daniel Bryan part. CM Punk at MITB 2011 or Rock whenever/wherever was the only pop/chants in the past 3 or so years, similar to the ones Bryan had for WEEKS after WrestleMania.


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I don't want to watch CM Punk. He doesn't look like a wrestler. His promos are annoying as fuck - and I don't mean good heat. Beyond that its not just a kids show now, its a show for dumb kids who need special attention in class.
"I don't want to watch CM Punk." Unfortunately, a lot of casuals have also adopted that mindset. I am not blaming Punk entirely for the ratings, but he is not helping like a champion should help. I put it down to two things really, personal charisma and presentation. Punk was never portrayed as being that charismatic good good guy when he was a face like Cena. He was more a Cena-lite. And the fact he never even main evented as a champion has cost them dearly. The audience don't care about Punk since he has been treated second best as champion.I never had the "look like a wrestler" opinion/argument, but I can understand where it comes from. As for his promos, I am feeling the same to be honest. The only good one he has had in weeks was with Vince McMahon. I waited for his promo work to evolve above just the respect stuff but nothing has happened. Hopefully they add more layers to his promos in the next few weeks. But I doubt it. Either Punk wins and we get respect stuff, or RyBack wins and we get "FEED ME MORE" and Respect stuff.



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Don't know why my thread was merged with the ratings thread at all.
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personally i think they are working much harder with the booking, but 3 hours is just too much. I enjoy the show and find it entertaining, but 3 hours is too damn exhausting, if only they'd book 2 hours with as much effort. Also, i like the low ratings, encourages them to do better. One thing i really DONT want however is for them to start thinking they have to bury Punk just because of the ratings, that sort of mindset is what makes me want to kill Vince.

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That list is shockingly true. Especially the Daniel Bryan part. CM Punk at MITB 2011 or Rock whenever/wherever was the only pop/chants in the past 3 or so years, similar to the ones Bryan had for WEEKS after WrestleMania.

"I don't want to watch CM Punk." Unfortunately, a lot of casuals have also adopted that mindset. I am not blaming Punk entirely for the ratings, but he is not helping like a champion should help. I put it down to two things really, personal charisma and presentation. Punk was never portrayed as being that charismatic good good guy when he was a face like Cena. He was more a Cena-lite. And the fact he never even main evented as a champion has cost them dearly. The audience don't care about Punk since he has been treated second best as champion.I never had the "look like a wrestler" opinion/argument, but I can understand where it comes from. As for his promos, I am feeling the same to be honest. The only good one he has had in weeks was with Vince McMahon. I waited for his promo work to evolve above just the respect stuff but nothing has happened. Hopefully they add more layers to his promos in the next few weeks. But I doubt it. Either Punk wins and we get respect stuff, or RyBack wins and we get "FEED ME MORE" and Respect stuff.
i honestly don't think the ratings have a single thing to do with Punk. Punk is one of the only entertaining parts of Raw and his promos are the best heel mic work i've seen in ages, the casuals watch just because they want someone to shut him up or beat him (what a heel's supposed to make the casuals feel like). Also, 3 hours is the reason of all this, put this Cm Punk and this much effort into booking a two hour show and ratings would get better.

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John Cena faces Undertaker at Wrestlemania [ ]

Sheamus and Cm Punk are the 2 World Champions [X] -Wrestlemania 28

John Morrison wins World Title [ ]

John Cena losses cleanly [X]- Wrestlemania 28 Rock Beats John Cena


John Cena turns heel [ ]

Shawn Michaels returns for One More Match[ ]

Daniel Bryan beats a Main Eventer cleanly [ ]

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As long as that spoiled, shrill, selfish, conceited Connecticut trust-fund cunt is heading Team Steph and having the type of ideas as shoehorning her self-insert manic pixie girl into top angle after top angle instead using that time to develop other more deserving and better payoff talents, the core problems will still remain.

I do have one question for anyone who might feel that Dwayne Johnson "owes" the business. Is it just him, or is it anyone who moved on to other things? Should Luna Vachon get heat for running a towing company instead of working on RAW? Should Maven be critiqued on his Home Shopping Network bits instead of wrestling?

Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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I honestly think once Vince dies Pro Wrestling will be dead, it wont exist anymore. Ratings will get so bad that they will just close.
Pro Wrestling isnt popular anymore, im not saying it cant be but it is starting to die.

WWE had many guys who I thought would be in the main event now 3-4 years ago like MVP,Kennedy,Jeff Hardy, ex to still carry the WWE.

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I honestly think once Vince dies Pro Wrestling will be dead, it wont exist anymore. Ratings will get so bad that they will just close.
Pro Wrestling isnt popular anymore, im not saying it cant be but it is starting to die.

WWE had many guys who I thought would be in the main event now 3-4 years ago like MVP,Kennedy,Jeff Hardy, ex to still carry the WWE.
I wouldn't say wrestling will die. I think it will just go underground with WWE gone and pretty much loses anything mainstream it has to it... unless another company manages to reach the top like WWE did with Hulkamania.
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I think casuals are just sick of the same old same old, Super faces beating up cowardly heels. I think Cena's appeal is starting to wear off.
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Not surprised with the catastrophic ratings. The roster/talent is ridiculously thin yet they have some really talented people in NXT who are potential draws that they leave on the back burner. Not only that but they're trying to make adult men watch children's programming, it defies logic. They cater Raw to children, yet it's on at an adult time slot, for 3 hours. Try and keep any lil jimmy's attention for 3 hours, it's difficult. When you have a TV program on at 11 pm, it needs to have some sort of edge. Linda McMahon's campaign is killing professional wrestling.

That said, the actual show can be to blame too. Dreadful storylines, even worse booking (how many times have we seen "Champion vs Champion" in 2012? Two lumberjack main events in a week with Sheamus? b-o-r-i-n-g). How anyone can place the blame solely on individual wrestlers is idiotic.

The switch to 3 hours could be the real jump the shark moment. But let's not forget that it's not every week there is a presidential debate too.






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you guys are losers, i cant believe you actually watch wrestling

i just sit at home and watch the tickets being sold off the ticketmaster website to see whos drawing

sometimes if the show is in town, i feel extra daring and go to the arena and watch them sell tickets IN PERSON

other day i started jerking off in the ticket both at all that DRAWING and had to be escorted out of the arena

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