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post #6931 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-13-2012, 11:09 AM
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My point was Vince Mcmahon and his first advertised match in two years is the reason for that big overrun gain, not punk. It didnt matter who he was against Del Rio/Sheamus/Punk, it was going to be a success regardless.
So why say it would've been bigger with those two than it would be with Punk?

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I dont see why anyone needs to bring up a random QH rating from months ago involving Cena and Edge into this discussion at all? Clearly, the intention was to use that and make a desperate excuse for Punk's failure at ratings. Explain Why the sudden need to prove Cena or Edge cant 'always draw big'?
Because a lot of people need reminding that even the big dogs (although Edge wasn't quite in that same echelon as Cena) are not always going to rope in the services of company viewers. That the top guys aren't going to shit out gold week in and week out. That this notion of drawing is only a side of things that takes our fandom onto new levels of ignorance when we stick up for or deride our favourites/most hated.

By the way, I'm not saying Punk shouldn't be a draw. That's a ridiculous notion that only his most blindly deluded mark would adhere to when talking about the business side of things. He needs to be a commodity as he's the champ and one of the top guys in the company. I'm of the belief that he isn't a standalone name and has only scratched the surface of being a true drawcard. What you said about Edge/Cena segment drawing low being due to the novelty of 3 hours is also likely an accurate one that I too agree with.

What continues to amuse me (and anyone with a semblance of intelligence) though is that people will try to justify their love or hatred for an individual that will only ultimately be used by the company as they see fit. They don't even see the business side spectrum outside their Nielsen ratings system mindset. Someone described it as a weekly pissing contest and I couldn't agree more in some of what's been posted.

Someone in this thread also described ratings as the 'god' of television some time ago. While there's a lot of truth to that (unfortunately) it's a sentiment shared and utilised by too many that can't get their heads past the dreaded 'weekly numberz' and argue and argue and argue about stuff that won't even eventuate from their own opinion.

The real smart guys in this thread will discuss, speculate and conceptualise ideas relating to viewership patterns and numbers, trends and the overall appeal of wrestling personalities pertaining to what happens weekly. The stupid guys will lurch around throwing numbers they don't know the meaning of to support their dumb fandom and try to (unsuccessfully) strip others of theirs.

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post #6932 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-13-2012, 11:39 AM
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Guys, this is a futile argument. Here's the problem, that's already been stated like 100 times in this thread but everyone ignores because logic is not welcome her apparently: Nobody in this company, accept Cena (and even then not on a major Rock/Hogan scale) is a draw. So is Punk a draw? Not really, no. Here's the follow-up to that that never seems to be addressed though: neither is anyone else on the active roster. Randy Orton doesn't draw. Sheamus doesn't draw. Miz doesn't draw. Big Show doesn't draw. Bryan doesn't draw. Now, whether that's due to the talent itself or WWE's shit booking is an interesting conversation to have, and probably one for another thread, but the fact is nobody draws. So once you've established Punk can't draw like Cena (the only draw in the company), what do you do? Take him out of the main event? And replace him with who? One of the other non-draws listed above? What does that help?

You've got a 3 hour show to fill, and no draws to fill it. That is not a problem that is solved by "Well if only they put [INSERT FAVORITE] in the main event this show would draw!", so let's stop acting like it is.
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post #6933 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-13-2012, 12:12 PM
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Nobody full time is a draw. Cena hasn't been a big draw since they wen't full retard in 2008 with his booking.

Interesting Angles are what draw viewers in. Shit Angles result in shit ratings.

End of discussion.

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post #6934 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-13-2012, 06:42 PM
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Punk isn't over because come the end of the summer of Punk he still had not been put over he beat Cena twice in inconsistent circumstances and lost too Triple H on a C level PPV Punk should have beaten Triple H at Wrestlemania its that simple the feud was their and could have made itself the heat and real fire between the two that was first felt at comic con where the seed was planted and it was wasted and Punk was put second to Triple H, Nash, Rock and Cena.
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I just now watched Cena's opening promo... What the fuck? Way to completely dump all over Cesaro with the nipple line. And that "Team Heeeyaaaaawaaaell No" joke was one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard. Please go away.

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post #6936 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-13-2012, 09:31 PM
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First off, thank you to Skullbone for speaking on my behalf.

Tnmore, please take notice that there's no point in replying to me or anything because you're on my ignore list (and have been for over a week). You're diarrhea of the mouth and constant pushing of your opinions as facts became rather tiresome and was something I didn't want to see cluttering up my screen.

However, I have been able to see some of your recent ramblings thanks to the quotes in Skullbone's posts. He's outlined the exact reason for my bringing up Cena and Edge's shitty quarter hour rating earlier this year very nicely. No need to go on about that.

There is something I would like to address, but this is more aimed at everyone in the thread. Folks, please read what Tnmore has actually said. Once you've done that, read my post relating to the quarter hour with Cena and Edge. Notice how I said nothing about CM Punk, or his drawing ability, in it, but in Tnmore's reply the first thing he does is call me the leader of the Punk marks and then later says that I wouldn't have brought it up unless I was trying to use it to prove somehow that Punk was a draw. That's right-I said nothing about CM Punk and yet according to this joker, it had EVERYTHING to do with CM Punk. I think that if it wasn't fairly evident before, it is now beyond a shadow of a doubt. This guy will go so far as to put words into peoples' mouths in a sad attempt to try and push his anti-Punk agenda. He's got Punk on the brain. It doesn't matter what the topic of discussion is, in his demented little mind, he will somehow twist it all around into a way where he can let everyone know that a) he dislikes CM Punk and b) because of this, you should agree with him and not like Punk either. He will continue making things up, spouting ridiculous claims that are baseless and unprovable, carefully selecting pieces of information that support his opinion (whilst flat out ignoring others that don't, or from a piece of information just taking the part that he likes and leaving the rest) and generally just vomiting up bullshit in his efforts for attention.

You need to ask yourselves-why would I want to read such drivel? I mean, I've just proven that this guy is purposely trying to find and put anti-Punk meaning in places that it doesn't exist, going to lengths like completely making up things that I supposedly said, yet clearly didn't. A right mind doesn't do this. A stupid mind? Sure. A broken mind? Absolutely. But why would you want to read anything formulated by a mind like that? You wouldn't, because its crap, nonsense and a waste of your time.

Just put this guy on ignore and eventually he'll get banned when one of the mods figures out he's trolling for a fight and is contributing nothing worthwhile to this site except a headache. For all I know, he already is banned-since I have him on ignore, I can't see his status.

Anyway, last I'll say on the subject. I'll also be repping Skullbone for his previous posts as well.



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No need to waste your time on Tnmore, KO Bossy. The kid wasn't even around for the Attitude Era anyways.
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Good grief, Punk.

2.5, 2.7 numbers can't give you any more excuses.

Take out Cena and the legends, who had been carrying his 97 lb ass in gaining viewership, from his vicinity and he's just as much as draw as Diesel was.

Remember the 5k - 10k gains with Daniel Bryan and AJ with their twilight-esque angle? Except Robert Pattinson was so much more intimidating than Punk and Bryan combined.
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post #6939 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-15-2012, 06:31 AM
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Good grief, Punk.

2.5, 2.7 numbers can't give you any more excuses.

Take out Cena and the legends, who had been carrying his 97 lb ass in gaining viewership, from his vicinity and he's just as much as draw as Diesel was.

Remember the 5k - 10k gains with Daniel Bryan and AJ with their twilight-esque angle? Except Robert Pattinson was so much more intimidating than Punk and Bryan combined.
like last weeks show with vince and john cena and they still had 2.7

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like last weeks show with vince and john cena and they still had 2.7
Don't waste your breath brother
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