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post #6921 of 9175 (permalink) Old 10-12-2012, 11:25 AM
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To be fair, that was one of the exclusive 3 hour shows before the 3 hours era begun so that might have something to do with it.
True. But the fact remains the same. Even though Cena is a proven draw everybody has off days. However as Starbuck has said, Cena and the others mentioned(HHH Rock) are proven money-makers. Punk and many others, Orton(outside of his massive 2009 run) and Hardy included have been what could be best described as "fluxuating" or "hit and miss" in terms of ratings(whereas all 3 have reamined incredibly over and sold lots of merchandise)



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True. But the fact remains the same. Even though Cena is a proven draw everybody has off days. However as Starbuck has said, Cena and the others mentioned(HHH Rock) are proven money-makers. Punk and many others, Orton(outside of his massive 2009 run) and Hardy included have been what could be best described as "fluxuating" or "hit and miss" in terms of ratings(whereas all 3 have reamined incredibly over and sold lots of merchandise)
Exactly. Guys like Cena and Rock have proven to be consistent draws whereas other like Orton (ratings/merchandise in 2009) and Punk (merchandise last year) have had their periods as valuable assets to the business but are not nearly as consistent.
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True. But the fact remains the same. Even though Cena is a proven draw everybody has off days. However as Starbuck has said, Cena and the others mentioned(HHH Rock) are proven money-makers. Punk and many others, Orton(outside of his massive 2009 run) and Hardy included have been what could be best described as "fluxuating" or "hit and miss" in terms of ratings(whereas all 3 have reamined incredibly over and sold lots of merchandise)
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Exactly. Guys like Cena and Rock have proven to be consistent draws whereas other like Orton (ratings/merchandise in 2009) and Punk (merchandise last year) have had their periods as valuable assets to the business but are not nearly as consistent.
Agreed with both.

All I was saying was that there has never been a proven draw that has never experienced a segment that lost viewers. Its laughable to say otherwise. They consistently bring in the high ratings and buys, of course, but they're not perfect. No one is.



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The difference is that guys like Triple H/Rock/Cena are proven big time money makers at a consistent level, something nobody else on the roster is and no, not Punk or Orton or whoever. They are proven but that doesn't mean they are full proof either. If somebody is a proven draw but they lose viewers the odd time it doesn't mean that they aren't a draw anymore. It really shouldn't be that hard to understand tbh.
Oh, I agree. I was just commenting on the person who said all proven draws are always going to do well, which obviously isn't the case. Wasn't trying to say Trips, Rock and Cena aren't proven draws lol, that would be ridiculous.






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LOL at Punk drawing. Anyone could draw in a match with Vince freaking Mcmahon, who has always been a big TV draw and well established on-screen authority for 15 years. When was the last time vince was involved in an advertised RAW match with a talent? 2009? 2010?. This is Vince Mcmahon's FIRST MATCH with a talent in the ring since Wrestlemania 26 PPV. I'm sure Vince in a match with Sheamus or even Del Rio in the overrun could have done just as big, if not more. Punk gets no credit for this and he shouldnt.

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That's pretty faulty logic considering Cena, who everyone here proclaims is a proven draw, had a quarter hour with Edge on the April 23rd go home show to Extreme Rules that did a 2.60 rating, which is absolutely horrendous. So evidently, draws don't ALWAYS bring in high viewers in WHATEVER they do.

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I'm sure Vince in a match with Sheamus or even Del Rio in the overrun could have done just as big, if not more. Punk gets no credit for this and he shouldnt.

Punk marks desperate as usual, with KO bossy being their leader.
And what makes you sure about that?

And what was so bad about what KO Bossy said about that number that Cena and Edge segment produced?
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And what makes you sure about that?
I already have explained why. It was Vince Mcmahon in his first match since Mania that got the viewers hooked, you just need a heel who is over as a supporting act.

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And what was so bad about what KO Bossy said about that number that Cena and Edge segment produced?
3 Hrs was not a permanent thing in april. It is desperate and pathetic to go find a low quarter that Edge and Cena did at the start of the show months ago, to prove "Punk can draw". No he does not, give it up. He's undeservingly over-pushed.


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Punk isn't a draw. That is true. He is also majorly over-pushed for someone who produces the ratings he does but I think the way he was booked this year has a bit to do with that. Look at the year Punk has had. Always beating out his challengers with no real struggle or adversity to speak of.

Imagine a big buildup with some guy Vince decided to push to the big leagues FINALLY getting a title shot only to have the heel champ punch the ref as soon as the opening bell rang and getting DQ'ed, keeping the title and sending "the challenger" to the back of the line to start over again (Ryback v Punk at the next PPV? No HITC could be used in that equation though.). If milked right the audience would LOVE an underdog story like that. Instead we got WWE's formula of pushing a new talent by giving them the belt and hoping they succeed. The thing is at that point the audience has nothing to invest in, that is why this plan constantly fails. Punk winning the belt was the equivalent of reaching the top of the mountain (in WWE story-land) right at the beginning of his permanent move to main event land. Wouldn't it have been better to have Punk chase a strong heel that kept screwing him over to keep the belt from Punk? (Obviously that means he would have had to have been a face last year instead so no quitting/"shoot"/Cena feud. Some may disagree about the shoot but has it REALLY helped him that much given the facts as they are today?). That is a major reason SCSA/McMahon was successful. Even though Austin always won he was perceived as the underdog against the big bad boss. Seems like a no brainer to me but whatever.

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I already have explained why. It was Vince Mcmahon in his first match since Mania that got the viewers hooked, you just need a heel who is over as a supporting act.
Why would you use Del Rio and Sheamus as examples for guys who would do equal to or better than Punk? They've proven to be less of a viewership commodity than the champ has been.

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3 Hrs was not a permanent thing in april. It is desperate and pathetic to go find a low quarter that Edge and Cena did at the start of the show months ago, to prove "Punk can draw". No he does not, give it up. He's undeservingly over-pushed.
It wasn't to prove anything except that bonifide drawcards like Cena and (to a lesser extent) Edge could not always bring home the bacon on every occasion that so many here think top guys are guaranteed do. That goes for just about everyone outside of a few super-dupa megastars that were near-unanimously viewer dynamite (the guy in your sig being one of those) on a weekly basis. Of course, these guys came from different eras but I digress.

I can't see how it had anything to do with trying to prove that Punk can "draw." I think you're buying into markdom a bit too much.
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My point was Vince Mcmahon and his first advertised match in two years is the reason for that big overrun gain, not punk. It didnt matter who he was against Del Rio/Sheamus/Punk, it was going to be a success regardless.

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It wasn't to prove anything except that bonifide drawcards like Cena and (to a lesser extent) Edge could not always bring home the bacon on every occasion that so many here think top guys are guaranteed do.
Once again, RAW wasn't three hours on a regular basis back then, its totally different. Cena/Edge was never meant to draw big on that night. Raw has been three hours since the 1000th episode and Cena/Heyman few weeks ago drew the biggest 8pm rating.

I dont see why anyone needs to bring up a random QH rating from months ago involving Cena and Edge into this discussion at all? Clearly, the intention was to use that and make a desperate excuse for Punk's failure at ratings. Explain Why the sudden need to prove Cena or Edge cant 'always draw big'?

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