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post #4271 of 9175 (permalink) Old 06-22-2012, 10:31 AM
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This is not directed at anyone in particular jsut a general statement...But Agreed with JasonLives post above and to think that commercials have NO effect on the #s that certain segments do is stupid.

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I wonder if Hemen realizes that red repping someone with more than 50 times the amount of rep than they do for no reason at all, has absolutely no impact on my rep points.
Yeah, same with me. But you red repped me because "it was my opinion". What you also say is you opinion, you dont have facts. In the Vince interview with Bloomberg. It showed that what they earned on the wrestling product had gone down. But what they earned on media had gone up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNxn85vfgcE 6:18 to 7:15. So no what i said isnt a opinion, it is proved on this video.

So i am right that the interest in wrestling has gone down, and what they earn with the wrestling product itself is less. But wwe earn the money elsewhere Advertising, merchandising, books, video games...
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Like how people try and come up with excuses for why Punk segments drop viewership. So the latest is the ads? By that logic when any segments drop in viewership it isn't any of the wrestlers faults then? Bit of a lame excuse isn't it? Punks segments have always lost viewers it isn't anything new. Some weeks they do alright.
But look at this weeks, his segment lost 275k viewers while Cenas gained 590k. That shows as much as we dislike Cena he is a huge draw. He is the number one guy by miles. People talk about Punk being the 2nd top guy but look at his numbers, they are pretty crap. To me that isn't a reflection on Punks abilities it is a reflection on how the show has been designed to make one guy look better then everyone else. If something ever happened to Cena the company would be fucked. It also shows as much as people on here make Punk out to be great and popular the people away from here couldn't give a shit about him. You could put the title on anyone other then Cena and it would be the same for them.
I'll agree Punk gets too much of a pass, and that there is a double standard when it comes to him. Same with pretty much any wrestler who has a lot of fans. Randy Orton Fans are going to have an excuse when their guy tanks, and Santino fans are going to have an excuse when their guy tanks (they've needed a lot of excuses lately). That's human nature etc etc.

One of the things you bring up is ability, and I think that's where a lot of the defensiveness comes from. posters like Imnostar and a certain banned poster who usually drives the discussion here, frequently equate ratings with ability. Punk isn't drawing the same number of viewers as the Rock ergo Punk isn't as electrifying as the Rock, ergo Punk doesn't have the ability or the right to lick the Rock's boots. What most people are really arguing, whether they know it or not since the arguments get so heated, is what you pointed out above: It's not about ability, it's about what the company does to tell the viewers who the main attraction is.

One of the reasons I am a little itchy about trusting ratings is that I don't know who's on the other end of those number drops. I don't know if that's really casual fans, I don't know if that kids with a 10:30 bedtime, I don't know if those are just people who don't like CM Punk. Being that he is a divisive star, there very well may be a section of fans who do the same thing I do during a John Cena segment. I go by pops. If a guys is getting a reaction, it means that what he's doing is, more or less working. If the pops are not translating into ratings, then I put that on creative and management because they are the ones doing nothing with the pops, and putting commercial breaks in at terrible times.

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Btw, what the hell happened to TheGreatOne316AE? I came here for HIS analysis.
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punk can't draw to save his life
Same thing goes to Sheamus, Kane, Bryan, Orton. So stop blaming Punk when others are just like him and what's the point of bashing him as if others can do better than Punk, Cena only draws because he always gets the best storylines and always booked to be in the mainevent. Punk still sells a lot of merchandise he's #2 in men category and #1 in women category and #2 in kids category, so he's successful whether you like it or not.
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In the segment-by-segment, Sheamus & C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan & Kane lost 241,000 viewers. Jack Swagger vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 22,000 viewers. The Paul Heyman/HHH in-ring gained 559,000 viewers and a show high 3.74 quarter. Alberto Del Rio vs. Santino Marella lost 711,000 viewers. The segment with Cyndi Lauper, Wendi Richter, Heath Slater and Roddy Piper lost 12,000 viewers. I expected that segment to do well, a little because of Piper (not because of Lauper because its been a long time since shes been a big deal) and a little because of the train wreck philosophy of ratings. John Cena vs. David Otunga & John Laurinaitis in the overrun segment gained 573,000 viewers to a 3.74 quarter. As far as main event growth, for Teenage boys it was up from 3.3 to 3.5, Men 18-49 from 2.9 to 3.5, Teenage girls from 1.2 to 1.7 and 18-49 women from 1.3 to 1.5.
Regular breakdown, who did big quarters or the losses as expected. The Heyman/HHH segment deserved a bigger number for Heyman's awesome performance alone. They promoted Brock for this segment so probably a lot of the audience expected to see him there.

Vince was able to bring back part of the audience and the Show/Ace/Cena angle was able to keep them for at least a week to see the Ace firing payoff. If they continue with this run, the main event segment of the 1000th RAW with Austin/Taker/Vince/Cena/Lesnar/DX/Flair is going to do the biggest number of the year.
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Outside of the AJ/Kane/Bryan/Punk angle, and Triple H barking in his Batman voice (stolen from Starbuck) at Paul Heyman's Batman villain The Penguin, Raw is so largely dull these days that this thread's topsy-turvy, ever-evolving narrative over the course of a week kind of trumps it in overall entertainment value at the moment. Which is humorous, because NXT, Smackdown and roughly half of TNA's program are drastically better than Raw at the moment. Oh well...

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Estimated timings...

21:00 to 21:04 - Punk/Kane/Bryan/AJ promo; AJ segment [4 minutes]
21:04 to 21:07 - Opening titles; Vickie on stage [3 minutes]
21:07 to 21:13 - Punk vs Kane vs Bryan [6 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
21:17 to 21:23 - Punk vs Kane vs Bryan [6 minutes]
21:23 to 21:25 - Vickie/Dolph/Del Rio/Ricardo backstage [2 minutes]
--> commercial [3 minutes]
21:28 to 21:34 - Show vs Clay [6 minutes]
21:34 to 21:36 - Cena/Make a Wish promo [2 minutes]
--> commercial [3 minutes]
21:39 to 21:41 - Raw 1000th moment [2 minutes]
21:41 to 21:45 - HHH/Lesnar/Heyman recap [4 minutes]
21:45 to 21:47 - AJ/Kane backstage [2 minutes]
--> commercial [3 minutes]
21:50 to 21:55 - Santino vs Swagger [5 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
21:59 to 22:13 - Cena/Jericho in-ring segment [14 minutes]
--> commercial [3 minutes]
22:16 to 22:23 - Slater vs Sid [7 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
22:27 to 22:35 - Del Rio vs Ziggler [8 minutes]
22:35 to 22:37 - AJ/Bryan/Punk recap [2 minutes]
22:37 to 22:38 - AJ and Punk backstage [1 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
22:42 to 22:43 - Raw 1000th moment [1 minute]
22:43 to 22:48 - Divas' Battle Royal [5 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
22:52 to 22:56 - Cena vs Jericho [4 minutes]
--> commercial [4 minutes]
23:00 to 23:06 - Cena vs Jericho [10 minutes]

Ugh, I'm trying to genuinely think here which quarter do I want to do well. Q1 and Q2 probably, but that's about it. Ziggler too, but I'd love to know who booked that match. A ladder match between the two for a contract would have been, erm, nicer. Cena and Jericho will probably do well. What will be interesting here is whether we're still in the high 4m's or whether we've plummeted back down to the low 4m's.

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