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Ambrose more over then Reigns, but WWE choose not to see it?

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#1 ·
I think the match made it clear once again, Reigns is NOT over and Ambrose is. He got the biggest pops of the night. What do they do job him out to Sheamus, who just went over Roman and Ambrose in one night lol. I mean turn Roman heel, and make Ambrose the face of the company. IT is not rocket science, monkeys could write this shit better.
 
#52 ·
I don't think Ambrose is THAT over tbf, but that's because the WWE have done a brilliant job of cooling his jets. At the start of the year he was SUPER over and getting loud "Aaaaaaaaambrose" chants almost every week while he was feuding with Rollins leading into MITB -- it's almost tragic to see him fall so far in so little time

I'm not even a huge fan of his, but I do feel bad for the guy
 
#20 ·
See, I get this somewhat, but not completley. He's a good looking guy and he's pretty tall, sure, but he doesn't have that huge muscle bound look to him. He's really not that big a guy honestly, he's far closer to Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart sized than Brock Lesnar or Dave Batista sized. He's not even noticable bigger than guys like Del Rio, and despite drowning in baby oil, he's got a pretty soft look to him, very little muscle seperation and you can even see his chest fat from the side.

I really don't get this Reigns stuff at all. Vince has pretty much lost it.
 
#40 ·
Seeing Ambrose take the pin when the Usos were in the match is just... depressing.

What an awful time to be an Ambrose fan. Suppose to be having his own fued with Kevin Owens, but it still presented as Reigns's lackey throughout Raw. How sad.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Granted I feel that as a whole the fans are more sympathetic to Dean, I refuse to cosign him being pushed as the top guy. Like Roman or hate him, I get the feeling he wants to be top dog. He won't be, but I see he tries. He's improved a lot since January, albeit I'm in agreement with most of the board when they state he's in over his head and not that guy.

Even Rollins whom I detest and think is a midcarder who was fortunate enough to stumble along at the right time. Not a fan, but I've never questioned Seth's tenacity to be the man. He clearly was and is hungry. He was so hungry and confident in NXT that he was nearly booted from the roster because of his attitude.


He'll gladly step on you to sit at the top of the pile. I respect that regardless of how I feel about the performer. I do not and have never gotten the same vibe from Dean. As a matter of fact, he's been on record saying he simply doesn't care about being the guy.


I'm of the Austin mindset in that if you don't want to be at the top, you have no business in the main event scene. The passion (or lack of) translates in your prrformance. It's why Hunter tore a quad and continued to work. It's why Rollins tore his knee to shreds and finished a match. No passion and it shows now more than ever with Dean. I would gladly strap the rocket to Reigns or Rollins ten times over before I strap it to a guy who is there to bang Renee and cash checks.


Now there's nothing wrong with banging Renee and stacking piles of cash while doing it, but I'm not investing millions into a guy who isn't prepared to dedicate 110% to me and my company. Over or not, his outlook isn't what you go for when searching for a top dog, and his recent performances sans his bout with Owens two Sundays ago and the match with Dolph a few weeks back have been absolutely subpar at best.



I don't think any of the Shield trio are the guys this company is looking for, but Dean would certainly be at the bottom of the three if it were up to me, and needless to say, it appears that's also the case currently, and justifiably so.
 
#55 ·
You obviously don't know what are you talking about.


"I owe pro wrestling. It’s the only reason I’m still alive, and it pisses me off, and it makes me sick, everybody else thinks wrestling owes them something. All the time, me me me, I should be champion, I should be a featured performer, I shouldn’t be paired with this guy in a team, I should get more mic time, I should get this, whatever. I love pro wrestling, and I owe pro wrestling. It doesn’t owe me anything. Because it’s given me the only thing that makes me happy, the only high in this world that makes it worth getting up out of bed every day, and when it hits my bloodstream, and it courses through my veins, and explodes in my heart and the warm feeling coming over my brain, the whole world makes sense. And that’s what I owe pro wrestling."


Quote from Ambrose that you obviously you never heard and you call him a guy who doesn't have passion and dedication for wrestling and cares only about the money? Okay then.
He is working his ass of since he was 16 years old,he never cared about the money or anything.Yes,he is not the typical muscled guy that WWE likes,he is just a normal guy.So what? Yes,his performances are not the best but his move set is limited and he doesn't have enough time for his matches.Yes,his characher is not good right now but it's only WWE to blame.
With all the crap they make him do and say and he is still shows up every day to work insead of leaving and you say he doesn't care about wrestling?
Is he supposed to finish a match with an injury so you could see his passion and dedication?
 
#22 ·
Again, STOP calling Dean a jobber. HE IS NOT A FUCKING JOBBER. Jobbers do not main event PPVs and they certainly never become #1 contenders to titles, which last time I checked, Dean currently is.

I'm in the midst of accepting my fave guy will never be the main guy, but it's stupid to say he's a jobber when he's clearly not.
 
#42 ·
I don't even think Ambrose is any more over than Reigns and to be honest, If he was being pushed as the top babyface, I think he'd be the shits too.

Sure, he would be marginally better than Reigns because he can talk and he can actually play this underdog they are so intent on creating but that role is hardly playing to his strengths is it?

He's already a corny goofball nowadays as it is, so just imagine how bad it would be if he got more promo time.

Jokes, Jokes and some more jokes. Welcome to the 'Ambrose Asylum' :ambrose4

I dunno, you seem pretty sane to me.

He's a lunatic Maggle :jbl

Cena is starting to look more and more like a fucking God next to all these geeks :ti
 
#43 ·
What they should do is call-up Sami Zayn when he returns and start a 2-3 year push where he ends up as the face of the company. There's a guy that could attain Bryan's level of overness based on his inherent likability/relatability and his elite talent. The only difference is he's got a more polished look (height and is a good looking dude).
 
#10 ·
Ambrose is a fucking mid card jobber. There's no point discussing it.

You know who they'll push if they absolutely HAVE to turn Reigns?

They'll push Ryback. He's a 300lb midcard jobber but that automatically puts him next in line. Anyone but Reigns.

Ambrose fans will never get what they want. There is no point even thinking about it.
 
#13 ·
You'd think they'd have learned their lesson with the Daniel Bryan fiasco. People no longer care about 'the look'. They want someone to root for that shows a little vulnerability and can be beaten. Why would you want the guy who doesn't get beat ever to win? Where's the fun in it? You can't tell me that there wasn't a smile on most peoples faces when Ronda Rousey got beat.

The friendship is getting really boring now. It was kinda cool to start with but it's time to stop Ambrose holding Reigns' hand ffs.
 
#50 ·
Is Ambrose more over? probably. Do they care? no. Would Ambrose save the ratings? probably not. Would WWE benefit for not booking Ambrose as a guy that loses in almost every feud he's in? Absolutely.

I've just came to the accept that WWE will only use him when they're desperate (Reigns injury last year).
 
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#51 ·
Is Ambrose more over? probably. Do they care? no. Would Ambrose save the ratings? probably not. Would WWE benefit for not booking Ambrose as a guy that loses in almost every feud he's in? Absolutely.

I've just came to the accept that WWE will only use him when they're desperate (Reigns injury last year).



He just Main Evented Survivor Series. He just main evented Smackdown last week and Raw this week how is he not being used?
 
#80 ·
While I agree that Ambrose gets a better reaction than Reigns, I'd be open to the suggestion that if Ambrose was being pushed hard at the moment many fans would be backing Reigns, I prefer Amrbose because he's a vulnerable heart on the sleeve character, when he gets his big push I'll be disappointed if they turn him into this invincible contender, I want to see Ambrose win the WWE Title but I also want his temperment and lack of composurenat times to cost him, realistic coherent booking is whats required.

Reigns came to the WWE as a bad ass, he couldn't care less what the fans thought of him, he didn't feel the need to whine on a mic about how he was doing it for his daughter, he didn't air his concerns for her back then, why now? He thrived on using the numbers of The Sheild to stack the deck in his (and his teams) favour, now he whines about how so many are against hom... I feel bad for Reigns, he was crazy over in an organic way by being allowed to do his own thing, having the Superman booking has totally nulified his impact, thats not a Roman Reifns problem though, it is at the mment as he's currently feeling the bite but this is a WWE problem, anyone given that type of booking with the exception of Brock Lesnar will always get negative reactions.
 
#81 · (Edited)
Reigns came to the WWE as a bad ass, he couldn't care less what the fans thought of him, he didn't feel the need to whine on a mic about how he was doing it for his daughter, he didn't air his concerns for her back then, why now? He thrived on using the numbers of The Sheild to stack the deck in his (and his teams) favour, now he whines about how so many are against him... I feel bad for Reigns, he was crazy over in an organic way by being allowed to do his own thing, having the Superman booking has totally nulified his impact, thats not a Roman Reigns problem though, it is at the moment as he's currently feeling the bite but this is a WWE problem, anyone given that type of booking with the exception of Brock Lesnar will always get negative reactions.
Nailed it, dead on. :applause



Reigns, along with Dean and Seth, jumped damn near the entire roster. They even triple power bombed the fucking Undertaker and took him off t.v. after WM 29. If anything, they should be playing this up in the storyline. For example, why has Ryback still not even bothered seeking payback from any of them for robbing him of the title around this time in 2012?

The Superman booking is another big problem. Remember when Reigns was getting beat down by Evolution every other night? Or when HHH pedigreed him and left him laying in the ring? I was chomping at the bit for him to get payback then...now, not so much. Who cares that he's running roughshod over the League of Jobbers? Oh that's right, only HHH and Steph are allowed to act like real heels anymore :shrug

As for Ambrose, after his booking this past Spring I pretty much gave up after going through the "wait and see" motions post HIAC 2014. At least he's making $$$ and waking up next to Renee Young, so I doubt he's complaining that much.
 
#85 ·
Yeah, because Ambrose with the more muscle mass would magicaly make the booking and writing 1000 times better. Let it go people, he looks completly fine.
 
#6 ·
you just have to remember Vince isn't interested in our world the real world and what WE really want he is his little fantasy world wherever he says and does makes perfect sense and if the real world comes a rocking he shoves shit down our throat even more than he does already
 
#14 ·
Popularity doesn't matter to them, unless it takes over the whole show like Daniel Bryan.. WWE will be determined to get Reigns the most over guy in the company, when it's all set and done, he probably will be.
 
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