FINISHED? FINISHED JESUS CHRIST! He beat Cena CLEAN!. He's in the third biggest feud currently, he's still being protected as is Cesaro and somehow you see that as finished. :Jordan:swaggerwhat:denirolol:wow:ha:HA:ti:hano
Yeah, and they managed to make that win meaningless in a number of weeks. All that win did is effectively tell the audience that if your favourite guy gets a win over John Cena, don't freak out, because it's not the sign of a push.
Am I the only person who doesn't see Owens as a Monster Heel at all?
To me, Brock Lesnar is a Monster Heel since he just demolishes anyone and anything and in most of matches, he dominates for the vast majority of it. While with Owens, he has extremely competitive back and forth and matches with everyone he faces. If Owens is a true monster heel like people are claiming he is, he would've been significantly more dominant in his matches.
Maybe its just me but I just don't get where people are getting the Owens being a Monster heel thing from.
I think the correct phrase would be: If the feud was against anyone not named John Cena no one would be whining.
Amazing how Kevin Owens hasn't even been on the roster for one year, and they already ruined him. And before people say "Oh, he beat Cena clean! Clearly that means that he's not ruined!" let me just ask this question: When was the last time John Cena beat someone decisively in a feud, and that person managed to be anything other than a mid carder?
It happened to Rusev, it happened to Wade Barrett, it happened to Dolph Ziggler, it happened to pretty much everybody that John Cena has beaten. They build a guy up, make him seem like a big deal, only to throw him into that brick wall known as John Cena, and then they become just another guy on the roster.
Now John Cena's probably going to unify the WWE and US titles at SummerSlam after beating Seth Rollins, while Kevin Owens will be stuck in mid card hell, feuding for the IC Title.
I would love to be wrong, but WWE has not given me any reason to think that they'll do anything different.
Owens is by no means finished, but I don't like that they started his main roster run by having him feud with Cena. The clean win was quite a surprise to say the least, but to me it does no favors to have him go down twice in such quick fashion. I know it's to Cena, but for a guy like this, I don't know if I want him losing this frequently starting out. If they had to go this route, I think they should have at least waited a few months after he got some exposure on the main roster if they wanted the feud this badly.
With that said, I think he's going to have a great run in the WWE and will no doubt a main eventer in years to come. How soon this happens remains to be seen.
Amazing how Kevin Owens hasn't even been on the roster for one year, and they already ruined him. And before people say "Oh, he beat Cena clean! Clearly that means that he's not ruined!" let me just ask this question: When was the last time John Cena beat someone decisively in a feud, and that person managed to be anything other than a mid carder?
Last I can remember was Bray Wyatt, who went on to be the Undertaker's opponent at Wrestlemania and main evented multiple PPV's.
I'm not going to sit here and say he's fine just because he beat Cena clean, it's too illogical of a response to someone such as yourself who won't accept that (not a knock on you or anything, just saying you're probably looking for a better reason to believe otherwise).
Look, I get that you think history is going to repeat itself here, but I think I need to point out to you that some of those guys aren't destined to be mid carders forever. Bray Wyatt, Rusev? These guys have bright futures. They were pushed quicker than most new comers that I can remember. I understand they lost to Cena, but these aren't out of the world occurrences. Losing to Cena is basically a guaranteed thing for anyone in today's WWE not named Daniel Bryan. Look at Seth Rollins. Look at Paige. These are guys who had the backing of Hunter from the very start even though there was a time when Vince wasn't very impressed with them. And look at where they are now. Owens will be fine. It's a bit of an overreaction right now to say he's finished when he's got such a long career ahead of him. Cena has definitely ruined some careers (the Nexus last months are one of my most hated moments in WWE history), but I don't think Owens will be added to his list.
Finished because he lost a feud to the face of the company after being on the main roster for only three months? Talk about being overly dramatic and ridiculous.
Just because he stepped down from John Cena he is finished? You KO marks are ridiculous. Give the guy some time to breathe and establish himself before he goes back to the main event. Hes been in WWE for 4 months, he's not Brock Lesnar so you can't just push him to the moon. The guy will be fine. All of you were saying the same thing about Rusev and look at him now. He's better than he was when he was with Lana.
Owens momentum has been purposley diluted - you could probably make the argument that it's actually been sabotaged - but the man is far too talented not to make it eventually. KO is a young man. Easily... Easily the best total package on the roster. There's zero reason to worry.
Owens will find a way to make anything work, and this "Walk Owens Walk" gimmick will take off if Owens is given any chance to spin it. The man has an aptitude for wrestling that few people on the roster can even comprehend, let alone match. Owens mind alone will convert every single producer in the back, eventually.
Anyone making that argument is dangerously paranoid.
If they wanted to sabotage him [they for most here being Dunn and Vince] than why debut him against Cena? Why have him win any of the matches? Why not make them 5 minute squashes?
If they're serious about Cesaro then I'll be fine with Owens doing the job. You Owens fans talk about sabotage, just watch Cesaro after Mania 30. He was probably top 3 or 5 in babyface reactions and they totally ruined him.
Owens will be fine, he's got the talent and the backing of HHH.
I must be the only person who doesn't mind Owens and Cesaro not fighting over a title. I'm glad they're attempting to conjure up ways of producing feuds other than 'I WANT DAT TITLE'.
Well...I did say 'attempting'. The whole jealousy thing is kinda weak I gotta admit but hopefully it shows that you don't need titles to produce intense heat between two guys. They could always fight over the title in the coming months.
Sure I wish Cena would have put him over at the end too. But Kev has only been on the main roster for a few months and is already one of the more important guys on it. He should be a featured talent for a long time to come if they don't purposely sabotage him.
If every guy that debuts is main event, who makes up the mid card? You are a fan, not the wrestler. It shouldn't be main event or bust for you. Stop listening to wrestling radio and freaking just enjoy the matches and feuds. This is the same old shit reaction around here when Ambrose feuded with Wyatt. Instead appreciating the opportunity to watch two fresher talent in a feud so many around here choose to complain about that one of them have to lose.
Stop looking at the product as if you are part of the industry or from a deluded mark perspective and look at it from the perspective of the being part of the audience. Potential good match coming up, solid build up, yet some can still find reasons to shit on it.
What are you talking about? There is no straight line in this story. It went from Owens making a big splash and ultimately losing his title (NXT title) and not getting the United States title (jobber title) off of Cena. He taps out to Cena and all of a sudden has a feud with Cesaro. Get off your high horse and come to terms that this company couldn't book their own death right.
We know Vince and Hayes are not that high on him backstage, the man isn't going to get a big break! He could settle for a steady mid card champion.
But its still early in his WWe carer, whose to say what the next 5 years brings. I wouldnt be surprised if WWe give him at least 1 WWE title run. But that is really wishful thinking...
:lmao Get out of here with that bs, no one would ever debut and beat the top dog CLEANLY if Vince isn't super high on them.
So he lost the feud? big deal. Getting a clean win over Cena in a series of great matches, in his debut feud, is beyond huge. He's light years ahead of what he would be if he'd gotten a typical debut against some mid carder.
Losing the feud was the right decision. He's still super new and should not come out on top in a feud with the top dog. I mean where would he go from there? how could you take his opponents seriously if he destroyed the top dog in his first feud?
No cesaro got a push cause Tyson may be done. Owens is going to beat cesaro because hunter values him more. Vince doesn't really like him. Can't you just enjoy it? It's been decent cesaro has stepped up, Owens is carrying cesaros weaknesses. If Owens gets squashed at summerslam you have reason to complain. This is coming from a huge Steen/Owens mark to. I've wanted him against cesaro for ages
Edit: sorry for multi posting I posted before I saw the ops response
I'm sorry, but this feud between him and Cesaro just got stupid. These two monsters (good way) are fighting because of jealousy? :drake1 really? What happened to Owens fighting for getting the top prize and to feed his family? Now they're using this jealousy crap because reasons. "Nah, you're jealous!" "I'm not jealous!!!1!" :drake1 Where's the fucking US title? At least the match will be amazing.
Maybe finished isn't the right word, but they certainly depushed him and it shows.
I'm sorry, but this feud between him and Cesaro just got stupid. These two monsters (good way) are fighting because of jealousy? :drake1 really? What happened to Owens fighting for getting the top prize and to feed his family? Now they're using this jealousy crap because reasons. "Nah, you're jealous!" "I'm not jealous!!!1!" :drake1 Where's the fucking US title? At least the match will be amazing.
Maybe finished isn't the right word, but they certainly depushed him and it shows.
But they need to be careful with him. Losing to Cena isn't the end of the world, what's coming next is always more important. I don't want to see another Wyatt scenario.
Seriously what are people moaning about? He got a clean win over John Cena in his first match which he will always have the bragging rights to, sure he ultimately lost the feud but he still took Cena to the limit in killer matches.
Talent are expected to pay their dues on the main roster which Owens is now doing, but the Cena feud set him up as it's got him over as a formidable talent with the more casual fans who weren't familiar with him.
His current feud with Cesaro is a strong mid-card programme that is a potential show-stealer on any card and will hopefully do wonders for both men with the matches they will produce, I would like to see both men exchange wins in a even-sided feud.
The IWC annoy me sometimes with all this boring drivel about how Owens' career is over, he was buried by Cena and blah blah blah blah.
He's doing just fine, stop bitching.
So basically everyone besides the top three in WWE are "finished". Interesting point of view. fpalm
Some fans want everything immediatly or they will whine how their favorite is now a "jobber" and "buried". He beat the biggest star of the company in his first match. He has a feud against one of the more popular guys and rising stars in Cesaro.
I agree Owens could have been handled better after losing the feud vs. Cena. A big promo on the next Raw and an immediate new big angle to keep his character hot would have been best.
Still, he is far from finished or buried. Seriously, get a clue.
I don't really like Kevin Owens but obviously any feud after Cena would be seen as a step down. His feud introduced him well, the matches he had with Cena were amazing so I'd say he's definitely not 'finished'. His first main roster (PPV) match he beat John Cena. Owens has only been main roster for like 3 months so I don't get the crying.
Anyways, I'm loving this feud as I'm a huge fan of Cesaro and it's great that they are giving him a chance on the mic, I like his accent. I'm really looking forward to the unconfirmed match with Owens at SummerSlam. It's a potential match of the night candidate. Obviously I'm wanting Cesaro to win.
After feuding with Cena (WWE biggest name) there was no other place to him to go but down, he can't be on the world title picture at the moment because it would hurt Seth Rollin's momentum.
Also if he was feuding with someone like Orton, Reigns or Ambrose people would be complaining too:
"Randy Orton will bury Owens!"
"Roman Reigns, WWE future golden boy will bury Owens!"
"Feuding with Dean Ambrose, a midcarder will bury Owens!"
Most of them are anti-WWE/anti-Vince marks. They just latch onto every 'underpushed' former indie wrestlers that is given a prominent spot on the roster. First it was Punk, then Bryan, now its KO and Neville (who they seem to forget to use to bitch about because KO has a higher profile spot at the moment).
Next year they will be the complaining about Zayn and Kenta.
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