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CESARO aka "The King Of Swing" is a Paul Heyman Guy

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Cesaro was the proper choice as the victor in The Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal. Cesaro is arguably the most consistent in-ring worker this year and he has plenty of momentum now. I am highly intrigued to see what he does in the next few months now that he is aligned with Paul Heyman. He still has the growing support from the fans so the dynamic there will be fun to follow.
 
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#267 ·
Re: Cesaro with Heyman is a mistake

They needed to keep Heyman on screen without Brock being on the show weekly so giving him Cesaro is perfect.
Kinda ironic when that's the reason he ended up with Colter in the first place was to keep Swagger's gimmick relevant.

Yet people forget that Heyman was still talking as a heel while out there with Cesaro. He even insulted Cole and Lawler like he did earlier in the night. Cesaro siding with Heyman makes me think that Lesnar will be gone for awhile so in the end it probably doesn't matter if they are heel or face. My guess is they will stay tweener and blur the lines a bit while the Real Americans stay heel. Cesaro has been getting cheered and will continue to do so as long as he does the swing anyway. They just need to get Cesaro his own music now.

It is great to even see managers in the WWE and now it looks like two of them will battle it out with their guys.
^ Yup. Still find it funny that Swagger is the underdog, tho. However, since he isn't face this'll just mean Cesaro will throw stupid insults at him and humiliate him until Swagger ultimately loses at ER.
 
#268 ·
The trouble with the PAUL HEYMAN GUY hulabaloo is that it becomes a gimmick. A really cheap one. Instead of developing distinct, real characters, these dudes just become PAUL HEYMAN GUYS.

I'm bored already with it.

At the very least, this "real American" thing, that was stolen from Swagger, is a start at some sort of cool character. Needs hella fleshing out though. I could see myself getting into it if he does it correctly. Or maybe that's off the books and he's some generic "King of Swing" now (break out the ****** Tonk outfit w/that nickname btw). Either way, WWE should realize that just pairing dudes with Heyman doesn't make them interesting. Brock and Punk work because they're Brock and Punk. Look at Axel, Ryback and the other one I think I'm forgetting. And hell, Ryback was also over when he was paired with Heyman and he, like Cesaro, had some sort of character to start with.

Instead of continuing to develop those characters, the WWE sees becoming a PAUL HEYMAN GUY as some sort of evolution or character development in and of itself. Nuh uh.


By the way, in theory, I don't mind that Cesaro is face and Heyman is heel. Faces and heels don't need to go away but the idea that faces need to be on one side and heels on the other has ran it's course IMO.
 
#269 ·
Imho, the way Zeb was tweeting on twitter leads me to believe that, save for maybe stealing the music, Cesaro is done with the real American gimmick as a whole. He's not a "Zeb Colter Guy" so he isn't a real American. I'm glad, he never should have leeched off of Swagger's gimmick in the first place.

His gimmick is the "King of Swing" because that's what he, as a character and talent have to offer, his impossible feats of strength. It's what got him over (save for a certain manager and tag partner who was made to look like crap for him to come off as more impressive) so they're sticking with it. Him being a "Paul Heyman Guy" is the only gimmick he can really have right now.

Everything else aside, he needs to drop that hideous suit jacket thing. It's so ugly, it really is, I don't know who told him it looked good but by God it doesn't fit him whatsoever and it's ugly on it's own.
 
#274 ·
I would like if this feud was epic and vicious. If this is going to Swagger's last rays of sunshine then let it be something GOOD.

Extend it past ER. Give them 20 minutes. Half an hour. Make it a (civil) war. No doubt that, given adequate time, these guys can have a really epic couple of matches. I think Swagger should go over at ER. Then Cesaro either on TV or at the next PPV. With the rubber match being at Payback or whatever the third PPV would be.

WWE doesn't build epic feuds for the midcard anymore but this has potential to be one of those. I'm actually rather excited to see them go at it and if it's a glorified squash, I will be extremely disappointed.
 
#277 ·
I tend to agree. The split needs to happen within a couple of weeks and unfortunately for Swagger it isn't worthy of a PPV feud. Needs to be dealt with on Raw before he is quickly moved to the IC.

Cesaro's current gimmick seems like it has a pretty short shelf-life and they need to maximize him and push him to the moon right away or watch him suffer the exact same fate as Ziggler, Sandow, Ryback, Axel and to a smaller extent Big E.

It's a very tenuous position for him right now despite being over.

He needs to continue to get some big wins at major PPV's under his belt in order to maintain this momentum otherwise it'll all be for absolute nought.
 
#279 ·
Hopefully for Cesaro that's the last time we hear them playing him out to the RA theme music. Get the man a real theme that helps put him over.

I really think Cesaro could be a cool character if he shaves his head and takes off the garters. Now he's got Heyman to cover for his lacking of speaking skills so the sky should be the limit now if they clean up his look.
 
#284 ·
fpalm No, it's not respectful by any means. Then again, Cesaro was in the indies so he must be a God by comparison of the rest of the roster. This is as stupid as the people complaining about Cena not main eventing anymore.

Whether you like Swagger or not, having a feud with a midcard talent and showcasing it and having it accumulate at a PPV (Extreme Rules) and having a proper pay off where the one pushed will go over is a smart idea. God, you guys really are just being ridiculous to the point of being thick skulled. "BOOHOO NO I WANT TO SEE HIM GET A TITLE NOW WAH." is what you sound like. Be patient, allow him to finish a feud worthy of a PPV match. Swagger and Cesaro were a tag team for nearly a year and, arguably, were the most over for several of those months. Their disbandment deserves more than one shitty RAW match. I'd say their feud is more of a test drive of how Heyman/Cesaro will operate once shifted to the main event scene. You have to have a trial run and test what needs to changed now, or Cesaro WILL flop and lose momentum.

Hopefully for Cesaro that's the last time we hear them playing him out to the RA theme music. Get the man a real theme that helps put him over.

I really think Cesaro could be a cool character if he shaves his head and takes off the garters. Now he's got Heyman to cover for his lacking of speaking skills so the sky should be the limit now if they clean up his look.
God yes, please give him his own theme music. He leeched off of Swagger/Colter for months and no one will admit it, but by God don't have him take the theme made for the dude he's burying.

Yeah, I've come to realize that all of the stuff about wanting epic stories and great matches is thrown out of the window once it comes to favorites. A damn shame. People really do put NAMES before the actually art of wrestling these days. For me: I don't mark for overness or kayfabe accomplishments. Bray Wyatt is my favorite right now and I'd rather he could long full programs in the midcard for the rest of his career instead of the rushed trash that people seem to want for Cesaro.

And anyway, in terms of his momentum, a decent feud with Swagger is the best way to keep it rolling. People also forget, in wrestling, that only in the case of rare individuals, is the personality going to be popular and interesting and have momentum in spite of the stories it's involved in. That's face of the company material talent that is like that.

What Cesaro would most benefit from is being involved in a highly physical and emotional feud while working with/against two of the best speakers in wrestling right now. People forget about the time where a feud, given three PPV matches, made to be something epic and built/written well is what got everyone so over in the AE and before. Look at the Triple H/Rock rivalry. Two guys brought up from the midcard to the main event together on the strength of their incredible feud.

Nowadays it's like: he's getting over, GIVE HIM THE MAIN EVENT PUSH NOW! Garbage. Absolute garbage. Whenever that's happened people have always crapped on it, it hardly sticks to anyone (besides giving them meaningless career "padding") and yet when it comes to their personal favorites, fans ask for the same garbage booking.

And frankly, I'm sick of seeing wrestling being done that way. Hot and fast and sloppy as fuck.
If I could rep you 1000 times over for this I would. Damn straight man, you've got it figured out.
 
#281 ·
can someone make this ":cesaro," the cesaro smiley, rotate around in a circle (resembling a swing)? thanks.
 
#299 ·
Let me reiterate. I don't hate Swagger. lol

I actually want him to do well as I want to see every talent succeed. I just think he has proven to be a better asset as a tag team competitor than singles. I strongly believe a long feud between Cesaro and Swagger does not benefit either of them and will actually be the ruination of both. As a matter of fact, I was a bit miffed that the Real Americans broke up having never held the tag titles. I think that's a travesty. I really want to see a Swagger/Sandow version of the Real Americans hold the belts regularly and for respectable periods of time. The tag division is in serious need of ying to Uso's yang and I think a revamped version of Real Americans would be just that.
 
#301 · (Edited)
And it's not going to happen, ever. Sandow is so beyond buried, it's sad. Swagger is having a feud with Cesaro, regardless of how much you guys want that to not happen. There is no way, within the next year, that Zeb will want to recruit another dude. It's just not happening.

You say you're miffed they didn't hold the tag titles, but in reality as soon as the RAs broke up everyone jumped ship and they're all backing Cesaro full heartedly, including you. If you cared for both of them, you'd want them both to gain something from their inevitable feud.

And you really think a Swagger/Sandow combo would win the titles? Dude, I'm sorry, but that's just delusional right there. The casuals and marks don't care about Swagger and the marks care about Sandow, but the WWE nor do the casuals give a flying crap about him. Any revamped version of the RAs would fail. I adore Swagger, but I'm not stupid, and the only reason majority gave a crap about the RAs was because of Cesaro. Any attempt to revamp them would be a complete and utter failure. The Real Americans are done forever, Cesaro's getting his much desired solo push and Swagger is either getting buried or gonna hover around the midcard as a filler heel.

I think your the one who has to "admit it", Cesaro has been putting on MotN in near every singles match he's had and has had atleast 1 match in the WWE top 5 MotY candidates since his debut. Swagger has 0.

Hell, last night was the worst Cesaro has looked in ages ring wise and it was against Swagger.

You can complain as much as you like about it being because Cesaro was on the indies and Swagger wasn't....
BUT.....
Lesnar is heralded as a great worker by most of the same people and he was never on the indies. Neither was Angle. Neither was Benjamin. Hell, HBK as a worker is almost entirely a product of WWE also.
My issue is the fact that Cesaro IS worshipped and put above others because he came from the indies. Seriously, people DON'T want a feud between two amazing managers and great in ring talents because they think Cesaro is above that sort of feud? How does that even sound? A feud between them is the only thing that makes sense! Del Rio is going after the IC, Ambrose is tied up in a feud so no US title, and no way on God's green earth is Cesaro getting his mitts on the WWEWHC before Summerslam, possibly not even in 2014. So they're literally arguing no feud for the sake of what???
 
#300 ·
That's not gonna happen. Whether you want to admit it or not, Swagger and Cesaro are nearly on par when it comes to working in the ring (I'd even argue that after years of being jobbed out to everyone and their brother, Swagger is a much better seller) and simply specialize in different things.
I think your the one who has to "admit it", Cesaro has been putting on MotN in near every singles match he's had and has had atleast 1 match in the WWE top 5 MotY candidates since his debut. Swagger has 0.

Hell, last night was the worst Cesaro has looked in ages ring wise and it was against Swagger.

You can complain as much as you like about it being because Cesaro was on the indies and Swagger wasn't....
BUT.....
Lesnar is heralded as a great worker by most of the same people and he was never on the indies. Neither was Angle. Neither was Benjamin. Hell, HBK as a worker is almost entirely a product of WWE also.
 
#305 ·
I've never watched an indy federation in my entire life, but it's pretty clear that Antonio Cesaro is substantially more talented and entertaining than Swagger. You can try and make excuses to console yourself about why people like him more, but it's not really a difficult equation to figure out.
 
#306 · (Edited)
This is amazing. Anybody that thinks just because heyman has heat now its a bad thing think about it. If Cesaro ditched coulter and went on his own where would he go? He'd lose momentum. Now that he,s with heyman he,s one of the hottest guys in the company and when he eventually turns on them Cesaro-Lesnar will catapult Cesaro into being a legit maineventer THEN he can go on his own.

This is amazing. Thank you wwe and dont fuck up.


I do not want to see Swagger-Cesaro at all. Yeah I know theres some Swagger fans in here but lets be real. He had his chance. They put the worldtitle on him and he failed. Cesaro was more over as us champion and 3 months into being on the roster then swaggers ever been. I dont want him dragging cesaro down.

Right now id keep cesaro strong. Not sure if theres a good feud for him still unless they debut Sami Zayn holy shit that would be awsome. Id have Cesaro look strong and squash some midcarders for the next month or two before they have a program for him. Fine even if he has a match with Swagger I guess Heyman/Coulter on the mic would be epic but I dont want it dragging out. Have Cesaro beat Swagger at extreme rules and get it over with.
 
#310 ·
As sad as I am to see the demise of The Real Americans, who were one of the best tag teams in many a year, good for Cesaro. He's an exceptional talent and one worth pushing as far as they possibly can.

I just hope they make it gradual, though, and tell the story of his rise properly. He has the best manager in the world in his corner, so there's really no excuse to get this wrong.

As an aside, I hope Zeb and Jack Swagger still have a place after this. Cesaro being such an astounding wrestler doesn't take away the fact that Swagger is very good in his own right, and Zeb also remains an excellent manager.
 
#312 ·
As sad as I am to see the demise of The Real Americans, who were one of the best tag teams in many a year, good for Cesaro. He's an exceptional talent and one worth pushing as far as they possibly can.

I just hope they make it gradual, though, and tell the story of his rise properly. He has the best manager in the world in his corner, so there's really no excuse to get this wrong.

As an aside, I hope Zeb and Jack Swagger still have a place after this. Cesaro being such an astounding wrestler doesn't take away the fact that Swagger is very good in his own right, and Zeb also remains an excellent manager.
Yes and more yes. Too bad people won't recognize this whatsoever and really don't care about Swagger/Colter any longer. It was bound to happen, but doesn't make it suck any less that they'll be wasted after this feud.
 
#318 ·
I hope this "feud" doesn't last long at all. Cesaro has been looking great against some top guys, he has Heyman backing so I'd rather he quickly dispatch Swagger. Looks like we could possibly be getting that since he was the coward and ran away, he might run away each and every time and when the match does officially happen on PPV it'll be a squash.
 
#319 ·
Not very observant, are you? Colter motioned Swagger to get out and kept on telling him to leave. It's not the first time a manager has decided they don't want their client fighting a particular person at a particular time. And that's a ridiculous reasoning for it to be squash match.
 
#320 ·
anyone else fancy Cesaro to win MITB? i don't see The Shield splitting in time for it so i can't see Reigns winning it, unless they use the case as a way to break up the shield.
 
#321 ·
I like Cesaro, but I don't get this move. Heyman is a heel and Cesaro apparently is still a heel? Swagger is a face, or heel? I don't know where they are going with this. It seems to me that this is just another attempt with the WWE figuring they can pair anyone with Heyman and they will go over. Cesaro was already over and really didn't need to be a Heyman Guy. I would agree that he does need a mouthpiece, but it didn't have to be Heyman. The next Heyman Guy should have been Dean Ambrose. Like CM Punk, Ambrose won't need Heyman to put him over, but more of just making him seem more legit.

Honestly, I thought the WWE would simply bring in Kassius Ohno and as a form of punishment they would have Ohno become Cesaro's manager. HHH said it was the "Reality Era" and this would have made sense. Perhaps instead of becoming a Heyman Guy last night. Instead, Cesaro comes out with a manager and close friend, Kassius Ohno. Ohno carries his bags, gets him coffee, and especially does the talking. This would allow for Cesaro to remain heel and have this big time attitude laughing at all the morons who cheer for him because he could care less.
 
#322 ·
After Cesaro is done with Swagger I hope they debut Sami Zayn and have them feud. Win-Win imo. You finally get Sami Zayn on the mainroster and not just thrown in like Emma but in a real program against a topguy. Plus who better for Cesaro to face?

Cesaro should go over but have them pull off 20-30 minute matches. Ive watched this match 4 times yet I could watch it ten more.

Bring in Zayn and have him work 1-2 ppvs with Cesaro in a real freaking feud with a good ass storyline.
 
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#324 ·
I'm well aware of the amazing matches Cesaro/Sami have put on at NXT, so don't slate me for saying this BUT...in what world would an NXT rookie debut onto the main roster and start a feud with one of the top rising stars in the company? And you can bring up Paige debuting and starting a feud with the top diva by winning the divas championship all in one night, but it's not comparable considering the division has little to no talent. It would just kill Cesaro's momentum right now, plus there are still plenty of other credible talents to feud with, anyway.

Just another case of fantasy booking that will remain just that, a fantasy.
 
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