All of these matches were at least entertaining, and four of them were great-incredible matches. But that isn't where it ends. Also featured on the card was a very short but definitely fun and good opener between Matt Hardy and Rey Mysterio for the Cruiserweight Championship, a surprisingly great handicap match between Undertaker and both the Big Show and A-Train (I think?), probably the greatest Divas match ever between Trish Stratus, Victoria, and Jazz, and a triple threat tag team match between Team Angle (Hass and Benjamen), Los Guerreros, and Rhino and Benoit, a match that was stock piled with nonstop action, and incredible pacing. I just don't understand how Wrestlemania 17 beats out this card. Here's my view on Wrestlemania 17.
Okay, let's do this.
I will first start out with its positives. Jericho/Regal, Benoit/Angle, TLC, Rock/Austin II, these were all great matches. I enjoyed them, and Wrestlemania 17 as I said before was definitely a great event. But...
The first thing I'll start out with what Wrestlemania 17 didn't have: consistency. Wrestlemania 19 was outstanding from the start to the finish, with arguably no bad matches on the card.
This here is your first mistake.
With Wrestlemania 17, that wasn't the case. You had a lousy squash match for the divas title,
A bathroom break every Wrestlemania needs.
a sloppy and pointless six man tag match,
Sloppy means slow and lots of botches, which isn't true in the case of the six man tag match.
a hardcore title match that others might enjoy, but I just don't enjoy (it was a good and creative match don't get me wrong, just not a big fan of that kind of wrestling).
Back and forth triple threat with brilliant use of the surrounding and weapons. Definitely good entertainment there.
McMahon vs McMahon was just terrible in all ways, there was little to no story told by either of them (just random action and Linda walking on in of course to kick Vince in the balls), there was nothing about it that wowed me, it was everything I expected. That idiotic gimmick battle royal was pointless.
The battle royal was amusing to watch if you don't take it seriously. And Shane vs Vince is still Vince's best Wrestlemania match ever so I don't know why you called there were only random actions.
Then there's Triple H vs Undertaker. This is the match I have my biggest complaint about. Not only was there a very poorly told story here (the ref got knocked out for too long to the point where it just became very stupid, the chokeslam onto the outside was a very pointless spot and not to mention you didn't even get to see the impact). Both men are much better than this and instead all we got from them was a very lazy and slow paced match with little to no innovation.
Again, wrong. Unless you were referring to their WM 27 match that was indeed slow and lazy, you must be joking. Back and forth brawl from start to finish that went all over the arena with great crowds involvement. It's still the best Taker/HHH match of all time. If the spots, as you said it, were pointless, then the crowds surrounding them wouldn't be so crazy about them, would they?
I think Austin/Rock II is one of the most overrated matches of all time. It was better than their Wrestlemania 19 match, but I can't see how anyone can pick that match over Jericho/Michaels or Lesnar/Angle (a match that suffered from having an injured Angle and a nervous Lesnar who was off a lot of times with his timing), with these matches you had more innovation, you had much better wrestling, and quite frankly, both of the endings to these matches beat the shit out of the ending to Austin/Rock II. I loved the heel turn, but a bunch of chair shots and just like that Austin pins Rock? Just no. Brilliant turn, but horrible finish. Wrestlemania 17 did however have the best match out of all with the TLC match.
I'm sorry, but this is the biggest mistake in your post. Bret/Shawn at WM 12 and Flair/Shawn at WM 24 are infinitely more overrated than Rock/Austin II which is not overrated at all. It's the best WWE title match of all time, so dunno why anybody would rate Lesnar/Angle or Jericho/HBK above it to begin with. As if a finish by a roll up isn't stupider than chairshots.
So with Wrestlemania 19, imo, all the matches were great (besides McMahon/Hogan, but even then you had a great story told there despite horrible pacing and sloppy in ring work, something McMahon/McMahon lacked), you had excellent consistency, a lot of incredible matches and moments, easily a much better undercard and a much better main event card, so can someone please tell me how Wrestlemania 17 could be better than Wrestlemania 19?
This post is so wrong it's unbelievable, but I'll try anyway:
(besides McMahon/Hogan, but even then you had a great story told there despite horrible pacing and sloppy in ring work, something McMahon/McMahon lacked)
You're contradicting yourself here. A great story cannot be told with horrible pacing and sloppy in ring work, honey.
you had excellent consistency
a lot of incredible matches and moments,
Which WM 17 have more of.
easily a much better undercard
1. Rey/Matt in a 5 minutes opening match nobody cared about.
2. The Streak vs A Motherfucking Train in a below average match nobody but Vince cared about (since A-Train was his pet project). Any notion that this match is better than Taker/HHH I is beyond nuts.
3. Okay, the divas match is better here. I'll give u that.
4. A tag team championship that wasted too many talents (Benjamin, Benoit, Eddie) in a needless match. Should have booked matched like Taker/Benoit or Taker/Eddie.
and a much better main event card
WM 19 only had 2 great matches in total: Jericho/HBK and Lesnar/Angle.
WM 17 had 7 great matches: Y2J/Regal, Kane/Raven/Big Show/TLC II, Benoit/Angle, Taker/HHH I, Vince/Shane, and Rock/Austin II.
so can someone please tell me how Wrestlemania 17 could be better than Wrestlemania 19?
Consider yourself enlightened.
I see all these people who make those claims, but I just can't see how 17 could beat 19 out. Any other Wrestlemania absolutely, but 19 in my book blows 17 out of the water. So please, explain to me why you guys think 17 beats out 19.
Now you see why 17 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19.