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Mania 19's three best matches don't compare to Mania 17's three best matches.
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I'm not "comparing" anything here, I'm saying that I don't understand why people hate the Taker vs Show/Train match when it definitely turned out much better than it should have, but for some strange reason praise HHH/Taker when it was a lot worse than it should have been.
Were you a fan during those days and watched it live? I don't remember a single person saying it was a lot worse than it should have been. Taker vs HHH at WM17 was a great match. People loved it. Crowd was hot and had to follow TLC2. If anything it is underrated nowdays because of their WM27 and 28 matches. At that time it had better reviews than Angle vs Benoit.

No more comments on Taker vs Show and Train. It's probably the least meaningful match of the streak.

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Were you a fan during those days and watched it live? I don't remember a single person saying it was a lot worse than it should have been. Taker vs HHH at WM17 was a great match. People loved it. Crowd was hot and had to follow TLC2. If anything it is underrated nowdays because of their WM27 and 28 matches. At that time it had better reviews than Angle vs Benoit.

No more comments on Taker vs Show and Train. It's probably the least meaningful match of the streak.
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Not really no. Maybe to the average wrestling fan but not to those who actually care for the quality of the match itself and don't let pointless spots fool them. The other writers on the site also gave their opinions on the matches and none of them had a higher rating for Taker/HHH than they did Benoit/Angle.

But of course, I CANT FUCKING FIND IT. So you can disregard that part until I find it (if that happens).

And I do agree that it is the least meaningful match of the streak, I'm not disputing that. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was definitely a better match than it was expected to be. I doubt it performed to the expectations that anyone had.
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Underrated? A match against a jobber that couldn't use every single push he's been given in his lifetime and was shouted by the crowds to shave his back is underrated?
The match has nothing to do with Albert not taking advantage of his pushes. Absolutely nothing. The match quality was there and it was an all around well put together match. The Biker gimmick had run its course by this time and there really weren't a lot of enticing options for him otherwise. What? In hindsight would you have wanted Taker versus Big Show straight up? Big Show also was in a weird place around that time as well, and it would have been booked as a typical big man match that would have been boring and slow paced. At least A-Train was able to move with Taker and keep it fast paced.

It was a well constructed and executed match, and at a Mania when Taker wasn't going to have a premier match on the card to begin with, why not make him look strong against two giants? In my booking of the match, I wouldn't have had it billed as Taker and Nathan Jones versus Show and A-Train...I would have built up to the match as it being handicap all along.

And if we want to continue with the direct comparisons between XIX and X-Seven, Taker vs. Show/Train was the 2nd match on the card. You know what was the second match on the card at X-Seven? The RTC versus the APA and Tazz. Yeah. I'll take Taker any day.
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Your post is ridiculous. A-Train/Albert's inability to get over isn't relevant to the quality of the match he had with The Undertaker at WM XIX,
Of course it does, considering the match was done to push A-Train to main event level but ended up...well, you know where I'm going with this.

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and you also seem to forget that Big Show was part of the match too. Not that I'm saying that it was a good match!
I didn't, but Show just practically watched Taker/A-Train for more than half the match. Seriously, it almost felt like Taker vs A-Train with Show as the manager. So, obviously A-Train has to take much bigger share of the blame here. Undertaker did everything he could to carry A-Train's slow ass.

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It was average at best. But people go on about it like it was a total shitfest, which it wasn't.
It was.

The crowds paid more attention to A-Train's unshaven back than to the match itself. You're joking if you think that doesn't take away from the already mediocre match.

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It was an underwhelming but watchable match, not bad enough to really harm the show, but not good enough to lift it either.
Actually, a watchable match cannot be underwhelming. And it does harm to the show considering so many people shit on it (for a good reason, still).

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I think if I was to rebook the card, like No Leaf Clover has done, I would have changed the match-up rather than keep it in, but the amount of hate it gets is unwarranted, and the match is, therefore, validly considered 'underrated'.
To be underrated, a match has to be good in the first place.

Taker/Diesel at WM 12 is underrated.
Taker/Flair at WM 18 is underrated.
Taker/Edge at WM 24 is underrated.

Taker/A-Train is shit forever and ever.

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Because considering how little potential the match itself had, it still ended up turning out okay. I don't understand how this match gets so much hate, and yet HHH/Taker from WM 17, which imo was a poorly done match, gets so much undeserved praise.
Sure, a brutal brawl that got the crowds riled up must be a poorly done match.

Meanwhile, a slow match where the crowds paid more attention to someone unshaven back is a legendary bout, I agree.

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Taker vs HHH was a great match. As time passed it was overshadowed by Taker's amazing performances and obviously the rematches at WM27 and 28, but at the moment lived to the expectations. And the finish was sick. The streak was barely mentioned during those days and was less predictable. Many people thought Taker was going to lose when he got hit with the sledgehammer when he was about to do the Last Ride. The finish with Taker countering the turnbuckle punches with the Last Ride was the first time done. It had a good build up and was Taker's first WM match as the ABA. In fact this match is highly underrated. Poorly executed? lol No way.
Spot on.

I don't take seriously anybody who shits on Taker/HHH at WM 17. It's bloody, it's brutal, it goes all over the place, and the crowds went nuts from the get go. It was a match done before HHH became a lazy ass performer and Taker was on the peak of his ABA career. It's the best Taker/HHH match ever and the best of their trilogy (certainly better than that melodrama at WM 27 and lifetime movie at WM 28. Both are classics, but people overrate it too much around here).

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Taker vs Show and/Train was supposed to be a stupid tag team match with that MMA fighter. It was cancelled at the last moment and ended up being a non-sense handicap match nobody actually cared. "It was supposed to be terrible, but it was ok". I would say it wasn't terrible, but it was really bad. Easily one of the most anti-climatic and least meaningful matches of the streak.
Yeah, Vince repeated the mistake he did at WM 15 there.

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I'm not "comparing" anything here, I'm saying that I don't understand why people hate the Taker vs Show/Train match when it definitely turned out much better than it should have, but for some strange reason praise HHH/Taker when it was a lot worse than it should have been.
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Not really no. Maybe to the average wrestling fan but not to those who actually care for the quality of the match itself and don't let pointless spots fool them. The other writers on the site also gave their opinions on the matches and none of them had a higher rating for Taker/HHH than they did Benoit/Angle.

But of course, I CANT FUCKING FIND IT. So you can disregard that part until I find it (if that happens).

And I do agree that it is the least meaningful match of the streak, I'm not disputing that. But that doesn't take away from the fact that it was definitely a better match than it was expected to be. I doubt it performed to the expectations that anyone had.


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The match has nothing to do with Albert not taking advantage of his pushes. Absolutely nothing. The match quality was there and it was an all around well put together match.
It does have to do with Albert not taking advantage of his pushes. The match was booked so Albert could be launched to main event level (like,say, Henry at WM 22 did although it took longer than expected).

Well put together? Taker had to carry Albert's fat ass the whole time, man.

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The Biker gimmick had run its course by this time and there really weren't a lot of enticing options for him otherwise. What? In hindsight would you have wanted Taker versus Big Show straight up? Big Show also was in a weird place around that time as well, and it would have been booked as a typical big man match that would have been boring and slow paced.
Actually, lots of people in this thread alone already said Taker could have fought RVD or Benoit or Eddie who were also wasted at WM 19. When did I say it had to be Show vs Taker?

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At least A-Train was able to move with Taker and keep it fast paced.
You must have been watching the wrong match. The best bit of that match is the short time we see Taker/Show.

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It was a well constructed and executed match, and at a Mania when Taker wasn't going to have a premier match on the card to begin with, why not make him look strong against two giants? In my booking of the match, I wouldn't have had it billed as Taker and Nathan Jones versus Show and A-Train...I would have built up to the match as it being handicap all along.
Because...at that time The Undertaker has defeated Giant Gonzales, King Kong Bundy, Diesel, Sid, Kane, and Big Boss Man at Wrestlemania, that's six giants. If he hadn't looked strong by defeating 6 giants, then those matches would have been for nothing too.

Face it, Taker vs A-Train/Show was poor booking. It was meant to catapult Albert to the main event level but obviously people did not take him seriously enough. It wasn't about making Taker looked strong, it was about Vince jerking off to yet another talentless big man.

Taker should have faced Eddie at WM 19. If he were going to face a mid-carder, might as well fought a good one. I mean, after all, we both knew where Eddie ended up before his death, right? You know, the place Albert is still fighting for 10 years after he was added to The Streak.

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And if we want to continue with the direct comparisons between XIX and X-Seven, Taker vs. Show/Train was the 2nd match on the card. You know what was the second match on the card at X-Seven? The RTC versus the APA and Tazz. Yeah. I'll take Taker any day.
Well, both are horrible matches, anyway, you'd go wrong with either one.
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Of course it does, considering the match was done to push A-Train to main event level but ended up...well, you know where I'm going with this.
That literally has nothing to do at all with the matches quality. You can bring up anything you want that happened OUTSIDE of the match, but it's all irrelevant when talking about the quality of the match itself.

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I didn't, but Show just practically watched Taker/A-Train for more than half the match. Seriously, it almost felt like Taker vs A-Train with Show as the manager. So, obviously A-Train has to take much bigger share of the blame here. Undertaker did everything he could to carry A-Train's slow ass.
What "blame"? Many people gave that match credit for at least turning out well compared to what many thought it would be. It was watchable, what more could you want out of it?

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It was.

The crowds paid more attention to A-Train's unshaven back than to the match itself. You're joking if you think that doesn't take away from the already mediocre match.
Again, quit using things outside of the match as excuses to ponder the quality of the match. You had three big guys in there, two of whom were paired up to take on the third, and yet despite this it was a pretty fast paced, action pact match that did very well considering who they had in the match.

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Actually, a watchable match cannot be underwhelming. And it does harm to the show considering so many people shit on it (for a good reason, still).
A lot of people consider it to be one of the weaker matches on the card, but most of them would go to say that it was still a pretty good match. There wasn't a lot they could do with it. They took what they had and used it and they did a very good job with it. What more could you want out of it?

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To be underrated, a match has to be good in the first place.

Taker/Diesel at WM 12 is underrated.
Taker/Flair at WM 18 is underrated.
Taker/Edge at WM 24 is underrated.

Taker/A-Train is shit forever and ever.
One thing you need to understand is that how good a match was is completely opinion related.

But one thing you can't deny is that the match itself performed beyond expectations, because if you were expecting a five star classic out of it then you're fucking retarded.

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Sure, a brutal brawl that got the crowds riled up must be a poorly done match.

Meanwhile, a slow match where the crowds paid more attention to someone unshaven back is a legendary bout, I agree.
A brawl being brutal doesn't make it a great match. Go watch CZW and you'll find that out for yourself.

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I don't take seriously anybody who shits on Taker/HHH at WM 17. It's bloody, it's brutal, it goes all over the place, and the crowds went nuts from the get go. It was a match done before HHH became a lazy ass performer and Taker was on the peak of his ABA career. It's the best Taker/HHH match ever and the best of their trilogy (certainly better than that melodrama at WM 27 and lifetime movie at WM 28. Both are classics, but people overrate it too much around here).
In terms of the quality of the match, the story, and the action in the ring itself, that was not their best match, and you're delusional if you think otherwise. They spent a good five minutes prancing around in the crowd, and ended up doing a horrible chokeslam spot onto a very obvious inflatable mat that you couldn't even see happen on camera until the replays showed it. Then you had a very anti climatic finish with little to no effort being shown by either man. All the while the referee spent a good 10 or minutes unconscious.

I can understand if you enjoyed the match, that's fine, but please, don't waste my time and tell me it was better than their other two matches. It wasn't, unless you have a very screwed up view of what makes a match great.

A good brawl? Absolutely. A great match? No.

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Who gives a rats ass what they were cheering. Are you really that stupid to the point where you're using what the crowd chanted during the match to try to prove me wrong?

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Face it, Taker vs A-Train/Show was poor booking. It was meant to catapult Albert to the main event level but obviously people did not take him seriously enough. It wasn't about making Taker looked strong, it was about Vince jerking off to yet another talentless big man.
No one is denying that it was poor booking. We're denying that it takes away from the match itself. The idea that it does so is completely untrue which is what we're telling you. We have no problem with you believing that it was a horrible match, but your reasoning for believing so is downright retarded.

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Taker should have faced Eddie at WM 19. If he were going to face a mid-carder, might as well fought a good one. I mean, after all, we both knew where Eddie ended up before his death, right? You know, the place Albert is still fighting for 10 years after he was added to The Streak.
You mean the part where he was about to get a World Title run?
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I really cant understand why HHH vs Undertaker at WM 17 is rated so highly. I've tried to watch it a number of times and slept off each time I tried.
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That literally has nothing to do at all with the matches quality. You can bring up anything you want that happened OUTSIDE of the match, but it's all irrelevant when talking about the quality of the match itself.
It does, let's not pretend like it doesn't.

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What "blame"? Many people gave that match credit for at least turning out well compared to what many thought it would be. It was watchable, what more could you want out of it?
I wanted Taker to have a better match at WM 19, like against Eddie, Rey, or Benoit.

And by blame, I was referring to thousands of people who hate Taker/A-Train. You do know not everybody praises that match, right?

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Again, quit using things outside of the match as excuses to ponder the quality of the match. You had three big guys in there, two of whom were paired up to take on the third, and yet despite this it was a pretty fast paced, action pact match that did very well considering who they had in the match.
If by "did well" you mean slow pace and mocking crowd, sure.

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A lot of people consider it to be one of the weaker matches on the card, but most of them would go to say that it was still a pretty good match. There wasn't a lot they could do with it. They took what they had and used it and they did a very good job with it. What more could you want out of it?
I already told u that.

And by most of them, who are we talking here? how do you know that?

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One thing you need to understand is that how good a match was is completely opinion related.
No, there's fact related match too. If everything is opinion related, then someone can say Goldberg/Lesnar at WM 20 is the GOAT match and get away with it.

There are matches that can be accepted as bad matches, Taker/A-Train is one of them.

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But one thing you can't deny is that the match itself performed beyond expectations, because if you were expecting a five star classic out of it then you're fucking retarded.
Who expected a five star classic? When did I say that?

The decent thing to do if you had the honor of being added to The Streak is make the push worthwhile. It took Henry 5 years, but he did it. He became a legit superstar and main eventer by Hall of Pain.

Again, 10 years after A-Train was favored over RVD, Eddie, and Benoit, where is he now? Huh? Come on? Tell me, where is he now?

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A brawl being brutal doesn't make it a great match. Go watch CZW and you'll find that out for yourself.
Why would I watch CZW?

And a brawl HAS to be brutal to be good.

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In terms of the quality of the match, the story, and the action in the ring itself, that was not their best match, and you're delusional if you think otherwise. They spent a good five minutes prancing around in the crowd, and ended up doing a horrible chokeslam spot onto a very obvious inflatable mat that you couldn't even see happen on camera until the replays showed it. Then you had a very anti climatic finish with little to no effort being shown by either man. All the while the referee spent a good 10 or minutes unconscious.
Now, now, dear, you're just being dumb if this is what you really think about Taker/HHH at WM 17.

But you know what, in a the near future, I'll make a poll about which one is better: Taker/HHH at WM 17 or Taker/A-Train at WM 19. I'd love to hear what other people have to say about this.

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I can understand if you enjoyed the match, that's fine, but please, don't waste my time and tell me it was better than their other two matches. It wasn't, unless you have a very screwed up view of what makes a match great.
You're the guy who think A-Train/Taker is above HHH/Taker, but I'm the one who's screwed up?

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Who gives a rats ass what they were cheering. Are you really that stupid to the point where you're using what the crowd chanted during the match to try to prove me wrong?
Because a match that cannot hold a proper attention of the crowd is simply, a failure of match. Crowds can make or break a match, you know. That's why Lesnar/Goldberg at WM 20 failed. Aside from the 2 being super halfhearted, the crowds cared more about their WWE status than the match itself.

Same thing happened to Taker/A-Train at WM 19. At least Taker/HHH at WM 17 got a proper hold of the crowds' attention from start to finish.

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No one is denying that it was poor booking. We're denying that it takes away from the match itself. The idea that it does so is completely untrue which is what we're telling you. We have no problem with you believing that it was a horrible match, but your reasoning for believing so is downright retarded.
I'm retarded for believing a failed push in the form of a slow ass match was bad booking?

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You mean the part where he was about to get a World Title run?
I'll ask a better question: DID HE GET IT?

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I really cant understand why HHH vs Undertaker at WM 17 is rated so highly. I've tried to watch it a number of times and slept off each time I tried.
Maybe Ryback/Punk is more to your intelligence.
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Wrestlemania 17 is a better show but on wrestling quality I'd probably put 19 ahead. 17 was just put together better and had the best match on either show as its main event
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It does, let's not pretend like it doesn't.
I'm not pretending. It has nothing to do with the quality of the match. You've been proven wrong numerous times on this subject matter now and continue to act like what you says is somehow true no matter how stupid it sounds.

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I wanted Taker to have a better match at WM 19, like against Eddie, Rey, or Benoit.
I'm not so sure I'd want to see Rey be someone that Taker faces.

But regardless, even though those would be better match ups, they did not happen. And you need to get over that.

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And by blame, I was referring to thousands of people who hate Taker/A-Train. You do know not everybody praises that match, right?
And you do know that not everyone hated it right? So stop acting like everyone did when that clearly isn't the case.

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If by "did well" you mean slow pace and mocking crowd, sure.
Please go re watch the match. It was not slow paced.

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I already told u that.

And by most of them, who are we talking here? how do you know that?
No, you didn't. You told me it was one of the weaker matches on the card and went on to say it was a horrible match, when it clearly wasn't.

And I actually saw the event at the time it happened, and a lot of people gave the match credit for at least turning out okay. Go ahead and do the research yourself.

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No, there's fact related match too. If everything is opinion related, then someone can say Goldberg/Lesnar at WM 20 is the GOAT match and get away with it.

There are matches that can be accepted as bad matches, Taker/A-Train is one of them.
You can't use idiotic logic like this and expect me to take your word for it, especially when it isn't true. It is all a matter of OPINION, nothing more. And yet here you are trying to tell me that Taker/A-Train is accepted as being a "bad" match. You're hilarious.

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Who expected a five star classic? When did I say that?

The decent thing to do if you had the honor of being added to The Streak is make the push worthwhile. It took Henry 5 years, but he did it. He became a legit superstar and main eventer by Hall of Pain.

Again, 10 years after A-Train was favored over RVD, Eddie, and Benoit, where is he now? Huh? Come on? Tell me, where is he now?
And you think Henry's match with Taker had anything to do with it? I have news for you, it didn't. No one cared for Henry after that and it wasn't until they started lacking heavily on heels that they decided to give him a huge run at the title.

And I won't deny that A-Train didn't get anywhere after that, but here's the thing, I don't care. Because we are talking the match and ONLY the match. We are not talking about the aftermath, we are talking about only the match. If you have any more excuses you'd like to throw out that are irrelevant to the match, feel free to use them, but you won't be proving anything.

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Why would I watch CZW?

And a brawl HAS to be brutal to be good.
No, it doesn't. All you need is good work, a great storyline, good pacing, and some creativity to the brawl itself. How brutal it is can add on to it's quality, but it isn't necessary. Samoa Joe is a perfect example of this.

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Now, now, dear, you're just being dumb if this is what you really think about Taker/HHH at WM 17.
Really? So where's your argument?

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But you know what, in a the near future, I'll make a poll about which one is better: Taker/HHH at WM 17 or Taker/A-Train at WM 19. I'd love to hear what other people have to say about this.
So that's your argument? Are you a troll?

Nevermind the fact that you're considering using a poll to try to prove me wrong when in reality, I have already stated numerous times now that HHH/Taker from WM 17 was still a better match imo than the Handicap match from WM 19, but the fact you need to use the opinions of other people just to prove your own point is pretty sad. Stand up for your claims. Don't let other people fight your battles for you.

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You're the guy who think A-Train/Taker is above HHH/Taker, but I'm the one who's screwed up?
Again, I never said it was. I said I don't understand why the handicap match gets crapped on so much and yet HHH/Taker gets so much praise. That in no way means that I think the handicap match is better.

So yes, you're the one who's screwed up.

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A good brawl and a good match are two entirely different things. How you don't get that is beyond me.

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Because a match that cannot hold a proper attention of the crowd is simply, a failure of match. Crowds can make or break a match, you know. That's why Lesnar/Goldberg at WM 20 failed. Aside from the 2 being super halfhearted, the crowds cared more about their WWE status than the match itself.
...so Andre/Hogan is a better match than Bryan/Orton?

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Awh so you're mad now?


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I'm retarded for believing a failed push in the form of a slow ass match was bad booking?
Yes but that's not the point. I was saying you're retarded for thinking it took away from the quality of the match.

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I'll ask a better question: DID HE GET IT?
Do I seriously need to answer that question? Please tell me you aren't that stupid.
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