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CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar - THE BEST VS. THE BEAST

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wwe.com said:
When CM Punk steps into the ring to fight Paul Heyman client Brock Lesnar at SummerSlam, he will face a Superstar who, in Punk’s words, is “a monster."

Against The Anomaly, The Straight Edge Superstar will have a near 50-pound weight disadvantage, as well as a reach disadvantage, never mind an obvious shortcoming in the strength department. Depending on how well he recovers from Lesnar’s savage attack on the July 15 edition of Raw — an incident that resulted in whiplash and strained knee and ankle ligaments for Punk — The Voice of the Voiceless may well be competing at less-than-peak form against an athletic abnormality who wrestles a part-time schedule.

But one factor that will not work against Punk when he arrives at Los Angeles’ STAPLES Center is fear. The Straight Edge Superstar concedes that Lesnar is every bit The Beast Incarnate that Heyman makes him out to be, but according to Punk, beasts like Lesnar exist for only one reason: to be slayed.


Punk has vowed to remove any obstacle between himself and the man who double-crossed him, Heyman. Motivated not only by the sting of betrayal, but also the uncomfortably personal remarks spouted by WWE’s extreme strategist, The Best in the World will likely need every ounce of fearlessness if he hopes to topple the biggest obstacle of them all in Lesnar.

The scene on July 15’s Raw did little to instill confidence in Punk supporters. Made to look like a courageous but overwhelmed civilian by The Anomaly, The Straight Edge Superstar displayed plenty of heart in the encounter, repeatedly pulling himself up by the bootstraps and reengaging in battle. Yet, when the dust settled, Lesnar appeared to have won the dust-up handily.

Punk insists the results will be different at SummerSlam. As unforgiving as Lesnar has proven to be, The Best in the World may be even more unrelenting. The Beast took the first several rounds of battle with relative ease, but with the war set to culminate at SummerSlam — inside the domain where Punk feels most at home, the squared circle — Lesnar’s victory is far from a fait accomplished.




Adding in the deeply personal overtones of the Heyman-Punk rivalry, there is reason to believe the fearless and untiring Straight Edge Superstar will stop at nothing to gain the win. Whether or not The Beast Incarnate can actually be slayed, however, might be a different story altogether.

Find out what happens when The Best takes on The Beast at SummerSlam, live on pay-per-view on Sunday, Aug. 18.





 
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#1,314 ·
I've said it before, but Punk really doesn't need this win as much as Lesnar. The key is to obviously make Punk sympathetic in defeat and to have Heyman affect the decision of the match in some way. Lesnar gets the win but Punk gets the affection of the fans. Hopefully a future match between the two occurs where Punk gets the victory, but I'm not sure that it will happen considering Brock's schedule.

The thing with Punk is that he doesn't really need victories to stay over. A part-timer that needs to maintain his aura needs victories, especially when he doesn't know how to speak. Remember that Punk got buried back in late 2009-2010, yet he was still arguably the most over heel during this period. When you're as good as Punk is on the mic, you can command the crowd with ease. On top of that, Punk has reached that point in his career where he has become a living legend that will always be over (sorta like Orton).

If Punk has to take the fall and be this generation's Foley/Jericho, then so be it. As a Punk fan, I'm happy with the last two years of his historic main event run. Man had a title reign that will be remembered for ages and a plethora of classics. He has a credential that will not be matched again just like Jericho's Undisputed Title. It was a nice run, fellow Punk fans, but he can't stay at the top forever. Punk fans have to accept that.

One thing to note is that while Punk probably won't beat these part-time legends as he has already lost against just about all of them, Punk never really needed these victories. He only had two big victories in his career that elevated him (vs. Hardy Summerslam and vs. Cena MITB), but that's all he needs. Guys like Jericho and Foley also didn't have that many big wins (Jericho had Vengeance 2001 and Foley had...Rock?). What people do remember are the moments and the talent of the greats, and for the past few years, nobody has given us more awesome promos and PPV classics than Mr. Punk.
 
#1,324 ·
If this match closes the show, I can't see Lesnar winning - it'd be too much of a retread of SS2012's ending. But if Cena/Bryan closes I could certainly see either man winning, but I don't think there'll be a rematch.

In my pipe-dream booking, Punk would overcome Lesnar and use that momentum to launch himself into a WHC feud, winning the thing and defending it for a couple of months. Meanwhile, the Orton/Bryan/Cena triangle continues, and before long Cena emerges with the belt again. Both Punk and Cena would lay claim to being the 'true' champion, leading to a unification main-event at Mania 30. Rumble winner challenges the Streak instead.

Either way, I expect Punk/Lesnar will have a great underdog vs monster vibe that'll surpass the Trips matches with ease, even if it doesn't quite touch Lesnar/Cena's brutality.
 
#1,325 ·
Brock's going to win thanks to a Heyman interference. Punk will want Brock again at Night of Champions but Heyman declines and instead Punk gets Axel, Punk wins due to disqualification at NOC due to Heyman and then at Hell In A Cell it'll be Punk vs Lesnar one more time where Punk will win.
 
#1,328 ·
Here's some updated news on the feud and finish:

Brock Lesnar is scheduled for Monday Night Raw next week in Green Bay. We’re told there has been talk for weeks about CM Punk launching a hardcore attack on Lesnar to sell the legitimacy of their bout at SummerSlam. The premise being that Punk has “lost it” and is capable of beating Lesnar, despite the size difference between them. There are still a lot of questions about the finish to the match at SummerSlam and no real answers. One observer says they wouldn’t be shocked if it was put solely into the hands of Triple H and Punk to call what is the best moving forward.
 
#1,329 ·
^ Triple H and Punk?

Why would you let Punk decide what's best for the finish of his own match? That's like Kevin Nash booking himself in the late-WCW years.

I like the idea of Punk destroying Lesnar at a RAW episode to shock viewers and make it look as if Punk can hold his own. But nonetheless, Brock has to get his hand raised at the end of Summerslam.
 
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Why would you let Punk decide what's best for the finish of his own match? That's like Kevin Nash booking himself in the late-WCW years.
You know that Punk calls the shots in pretty much all of his matches right? He took the lead even against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania this year.

Brock's a bigger star. He's the better talent (in-ring + charisma). He's the one that has to win.

If Punk needed a win so badly, then they shouldn't have put him against Brock. Put him against Ryback or Henry instead.
Nah. Punk's a better worker than Brock is, and Brock's great, so that says something about Punk. And charisma-wise, both are just as charismatic, both of them can make their presence felt when they're out there, both of them can make you believe in what they're doing. But Punk can hold you in his palms when he's cutting a promo whereas Brock can't, so that gives Punk a slight edge over Brock. And as you said, to Brock's credit, he's a bigger star. But being a bigger star or being a better talent has nothing to do with one winning a match, its about the storylines and how it would benefit the company in the long run.

Punk doesn't need shit. Why are people acting like he's been Jericho-level losing? All his "big losses" this year have been while he was heel so therefore, yes, they don't count. Losing to Brock (especially considering Punk's size) would not damage Punk. He could easily regenerate momentum. Brock is on the edge at the minute though and needs this win to propel him back to the forefront.
How would Brock winning help the company? All it would do is make him look strong enough going into Wrestlemania XXX against the Rock/the Undertaker. But the thing is, that can be done even if he loses at Summerslam. He lost against Cena, but he came out the very next week and took out Triple H and the loss against Cena didn't affect him whatsoever. He was still looked at as a legitimate monster who can kick your ass anytime of the day. He lost to Triple H at Wrestlemania, but just a week later, he came out and decimated the Miz on his way to Extreme Rules, and he was looked at as just as much of a threat as he was at first, despite his loss at Wrestlemania. If Brock Lesnar wins, well, he is BROCK LESNAR. The ass kicker. Wins or losses don't matter to him cause he's just here to hurt people. And if he loses, he is still BROCK LESNAR. The ass kicker. Wins or losses don't matter to him cause he's just here to hurt people. Yeah, that's how his character is. Wins or losses don't affect him.

Now what if Punk wins? Unlike Brock, Punk's here every week, so he can make the most of the momentum off the victory, atleast more than Brock can as the latter just goes away and comes back after months and its almost like a fresh start for him. And another thing is, Punk NEEDS the victory more than Brock. He lost twice against the Rock and then against the Undertaker. You might say that he came back and beat Jericho in his hometown, but after all the jobbing he's done in his last run, beating Jericho doesn't mean a lot, even Curtis Axel beat Jericho clean. And even storyline-wise, Punk needs the win more than Brock. Heyman thinks he made Punk and that Punk's not the best in the world without him, and Punk wants to prove him wrong. Punk swore on Heyman's kids that he will destroy everything around Paul Heyman and for that he has to go through Brock Lesnar, and that he will. That's the story. You can run your mouth all you want as a heel, but when you run your mouth as a face, you mean it. And if Punk doesn't win after all the talk, it would make Punk look real weak. But if Brock loses, it wouldn't mean that Brock was the weaker man, it would go on to show that Punk went on to prove how Heyman was wrong. Heyman would lose the battle, not Brock. The outcome of the match would go on to prove that Punk's the best despite what Heyman says and that Punk could've been a star even without Heyman's assistance back in 2006. So it wouldn't hurt Brock as much, as Heyman would take all the blows.
 
#1,344 ·
Yeah Brock needs this more than Punk, especially since Brock will get paired with somebody big time at Mania like an Undertaker or Rock. I would love for this rivalry to end at Survivor Series in a team Heyman vs team Punk with the last two being Punk and Lesnar. In between Summerslam and Survivor Series I guess have an Axel vs Punk feud.
 
#1,345 ·
I'd be fine with Punk losing, but he needs a big win over one of the "big 4" (Rock, Taker, Lesnar, HHH) at some point... or Austin if he ever comes back. But let's just stick with those four in parenthesis and what are the odds Punk will beat 'em:

Rock: No chance (There's just no opening I can foresee, plus it'd be a waste of Rock's time to have him face any man a third time)

Taker: No chance (thought maybe they could've done this for Summerslam if Punk returned as a heel/tweener and then turned into the face character he is now after beating Taker cleanly... but that time has passed, so no chance)

So that leaves Lesnar or HHH. If Punk loses at Summerslam, imo he needs to go to Mania and defeat one of those two. He's beaten Cena, sure, but he hasn't had a "big win" outside of him. That big win over a big star, and main eventing Mania is all that's missing for Punk. If he beats Brock at Summerslam, I say he can just go on to main event Mania next year with Bryan/Orton or Bryan/Cena.

That being said, Lesnar really can't afford the loss, especially if he's not gonna be able to pick up a win between SS and Mania. He'd be going into Mania with a loss. If he's facing Rock, it's not that big of a deal, but if he's facing Taker... well, then it would be unacceptable due to the streak and the fact he'd lose that one for sure.

Ultimately, I think the best scenario is what I've thought since I saw Choke2Death (?) post it. Have Lesnar beat Punk down, with Punk being resilient as fuck, never staying down for a three-count or submitting to the Kimura Lock. Then have Punk lose due to no response or something like that. Of course, a loss like that would pretty much ensure a rematch.
 
#1,346 ·
I'd be fine with Punk losing, but he needs a big win over one of the "big 4" (Rock, Taker, Lesnar, HHH) at some point... or Austin if he ever comes back. But let's just stick with those four in parenthesis and what are the odds Punk will beat 'em:
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http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwebreakingpoint


World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk def. Undertaker (Submission Match)



 
#1,348 ·
I used to really want Punk to beat at least one of the big part timers (no, that screwjob ending in that submission match doesn't count, Mr. Krishna. Punk actually looked worse after that match). However, at this point I think he's fine without that big win. Punk only had two big wins in his career, but with those two wins (one of which being virtually negated after he got buried in 2010) he was able to forge a Hall of Fame career. A Wrestlemania main event would be nice too, but I don't think it will happen.
 
#1,350 ·
In regards to Punk winning a big match this would be ideal, like someone said if it's a one off encounter Punk has to win to get his win over a big star and to end the feud and get his revenge on Heyman/Lesnar.

If it's more then just this one encounter Lesnar should win but ultimately Punk should win the series and get his redemption but at this stage also I just think Punk need's a win, 4 losses from 4 big matches this year could really hurt him, and in regards to him maineventing Wrestlemania, i jsut think it's getting less and less likely, he could possibly mainevent WM30 but his chances are slim which is just bullshit, no one deserves that spot more then he does.
 
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