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Old 07-31-2013, 01:38 AM   #1311 (permalink)
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Everyone could be here for days debating who should win and for what reasons.

What I will say though is, that this CM Punk vs Lesnar/Heyman program has to be longer then one match, it just would seemed to squashed into such little space for Punk just to win at Summerslam for example and get his revenge that quick, I think Lesnar destroying Punk would be good. I'm a bit concerned with what Punk is gonna be doing after this Summerslam match, Brock is a part timer and won't be around and if Punk wins where's that really leave him? I sense his got not much direction if he wins over Lesnar, losing to Lesnar could destroy him for a while and see him return to the top by winning the Rumble which is in Chicago in 2014 and going to mainevent Wrestlemania against Lesnar or someone else for the title.

Put it this way, but Punk deserves to close a Mania more then any other person on the current roster no questions asked, you can't deny it but his opponent needs to be someone big like a John Cena or Brock Lesnar with the title involved in both scenarios, the match with Cena could be a match that ends there feud and whoever wins is the better man or what not and with Lesnar it could be Punk getting his retribution on Lesnar and Heyman which has nearly taking a whole year to get. That would be the best way for the Lesnar/Punk scenario to play out and Brock will look monstrous after beating Punk at Summerslam and winning the Title somewhere between then and Mania he would look like a legit beast.

But I think if Summerslam isn't booked right more so for Punk then Lesnar it could really destroy him, cause I can't see much for him between Summerslam and Wrestlemania season, and I doubt he will be going near the title.
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Old 07-31-2013, 01:42 AM   #1312 (permalink)
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I don't think I've ever seen Heyman run that fast on Raw. I hope there's blood at Summerslam, this match needs to be as brutal as fuck.

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Why in the FUCK would Lesnar lose to a glorified main event jobber to set him up for Undertaker? That makes absolutely no sense. And there won't be a rematch with Punk, unless it's at the Rumble or something. Punk vs Lesnar will not generate the kind of buys they want for Mania.

I don't understand why we're even debating this. It's so clear who's going over. The whole build is based on the fact that Punk is doomed, but he's stupid and he's going to keep getting up. We're probably going to get the WrestleMania 13 finish where Punk gets positioned as the lovable underdog loser who won't quit despite being slaughtered.
The WM 13 finish was also my guess, makes Punk look strong losing...that is, if he loses. But are you seriously calling Punk a main event jobber? The guy who was just WWE Champion for over a year?
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Old 07-31-2013, 02:30 AM   #1313 (permalink)
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I've said it before, but Punk really doesn't need this win as much as Lesnar. The key is to obviously make Punk sympathetic in defeat and to have Heyman affect the decision of the match in some way. Lesnar gets the win but Punk gets the affection of the fans. Hopefully a future match between the two occurs where Punk gets the victory, but I'm not sure that it will happen considering Brock's schedule.

The thing with Punk is that he doesn't really need victories to stay over. A part-timer that needs to maintain his aura needs victories, especially when he doesn't know how to speak. Remember that Punk got buried back in late 2009-2010, yet he was still arguably the most over heel during this period. When you're as good as Punk is on the mic, you can command the crowd with ease. On top of that, Punk has reached that point in his career where he has become a living legend that will always be over (sorta like Orton).

If Punk has to take the fall and be this generation's Foley/Jericho, then so be it. As a Punk fan, I'm happy with the last two years of his historic main event run. Man had a title reign that will be remembered for ages and a plethora of classics. He has a credential that will not be matched again just like Jericho's Undisputed Title. It was a nice run, fellow Punk fans, but he can't stay at the top forever. Punk fans have to accept that.

One thing to note is that while Punk probably won't beat these part-time legends as he has already lost against just about all of them, Punk never really needed these victories. He only had two big victories in his career that elevated him (vs. Hardy Summerslam and vs. Cena MITB), but that's all he needs. Guys like Jericho and Foley also didn't have that many big wins (Jericho had Vengeance 2001 and Foley had...Rock?). What people do remember are the moments and the talent of the greats, and for the past few years, nobody has given us more awesome promos and PPV classics than Mr. Punk.
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I understand they needed a big SS match for both Punk and Brock but I feel like they should have saved it. Neither guy can afford a loss.
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The WM 13 finish was also my guess, makes Punk look strong losing...that is, if he loses. But are you seriously calling Punk a main event jobber? The guy who was just WWE Champion for over a year?
The only reason he held on to the title was to drop it to The Rock. Punk even said he was never supposed to hold it that long. Him retaining every month against people like Jericho and Daniel Bryan just kinda happened because his opponents weren't qualified champions at the time. Then once they hit Raw 1000, it was locked. It couldn't be Cena because that was being saved for WrestleMania, and it couldn't be anybody else because Punk was still the #2 guy in the company despite how much he loses. If that deal had not been in place, and thank God it was, because it probably saved the WWE a whole lot of dark days, he would've lost it to Ryback at HIAC.

The amount of times Punk gets beat for a top guy is absurd, and it's going to happen yet again.
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This makes absolute zero sense lol. How would Brock be somewhat believable to beat taker if he can't beat fucking cm punk???
since when has a wrestler needed a winning record to face taker at mania
punk had lost coming into mania 29 to rock twice, hhhs last match before challenging taker at mania 27 was a loss to sheamus at extreme rules 2010, the whole storyline of shawn challenging taker at mania 26 his failure to win matches (got pinned by orton on raw, failed to beat mysterio, got dumped out of the rumble he promised to win, was at fault for losing the tag belts)

we know lesnar losing isn't effecting him, he lost convincingly in ufc his last few fights and still booked as a monster in wwe first night back, i personally don't see brock and taker anyway at mania, if brock doesn't wrestle rock then i expect next option is for him to go into mania as wwe champion
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This makes absolute zero sense lol. How would Brock be somewhat believable to beat taker if he can't beat fucking cm punk???
well Punk lost twice to The Rock, once to Cena, & once to Kane even before challenging the Streak at Mania. People going strong into a Streak Match is a myth (it happened with Hunter and Michaels too as someone else noted). Besides Brock?Taker is far from confirmed especially there are talks Vince is scrapping that idea already.
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Who really believes that Brock is gonna face Taker, that will never happen because he's in no condition to get in that kind of match. Brock will either face Rock or someone that is capable to be in that spot.
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter, Brock is facing someone who's a bigger star than Punk, and that means he's a lock to win this match.
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