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Old 07-19-2013, 06:45 PM   #1151 (permalink)
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Oh Brick. Silly, silly Brick. I've definitely figured you out. If I were you I wouldn't respond about ratings anymore either since you can barely put together sentences and you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.



Yes, I do but only if Bryan is given a consistent decent PUSH. It doesn't have to be as long as Punk's was because Bryan is actually better at almost everything wrestling related (Except for breaking the fourth wall. Punk has a lock on that one) but Bryan does need a legitimate push and time to bring in ratings higher than Punk. Punk had over a year. Bryan could probably do it in 6-8 months with the right storyline. Bryan connects with people. Punk doesn't.



Anyone, no. Dorito couldn't do jack even with a a push like Punk got, but Bryan..fuck yes. Ambrose...yes. Maybe even Seth Rollins. I'm 60/40 on him. Punk got everything he wanted because he threatened to quit and Vince didn't have anyone else lined up to push after Batista/HHH/HBK/Edge more or less quit or were retired. The previous generation of main event players were suddenly gone and Punk was the only half way decent guy around capable of filling a main event void that hadn't already been rejected by the WWE Universe (Hi Lucky Charms). If you think history would repeat itself if that crisis were happening today you are nuts. Vince has more people to choose from now. He needed Punk desperately then. Today...not nearly as much, and the little bit he does still need Punk is dropping more and more each day. Ambrose, Bryan, Rollins, Sandow, Wyatt are on the move. No where for them to go but straight up. And Jericho has lost plenty and is still considered a threat. You remember him. The guy Punk marks are always telling me has been surpassed by Punk. If that's true, why does Punk lose all credibility the second he goes on a losing streak?



The highest ratings Smackdown had recently was last year with Bryan as World Champ. BTW Bryan's new t-shirt is outselling all of Cena and Punk's current merchandise as well so go suck on that Brick.

Be more original next time because you rarely make any sense if ever. What makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about, all I said is based on reality and I'm actually making sense unlike you.

You think Bryan can , okay lets see what Bryan will do in the next few months and after it, I will laugh at you and slap you with facts and numbers, I will unintentionally spam you with Bryan horrible numbers in terms of ratings, Buyrates, demand, mainstream. Just wait, and I can already imagine the numbers. He just did horrible with Orton few weeks in the mainevent and that happened already. I cant wait for his numbers in Oct/Dec so I can laugh at you not him because I actually like the guy and don't overrate him like you do. Anyone with a brain knows that Raw did horrible in Oct/Dec because no one had credibility in the current roster and all the part timers where nowhere near site and Punk was injured at that time when Cena was taking over the show Maineventing and still did nothing and didn't improve one bit and actually got worst. You just showed me how delusional you're, did you just say Dean, Bryan, and even Rollins will draw bigger than Punk and that they will bring more mainstream and ratings .

Let me tell you what Punk did as a draw, the hottest shirt since Austin shirt (Punk said it), successful buyrates without even Cena in MainEvent neither him being in the PPV (Bryan can never do that), his DVD was sold for more than 212k buys which is a big success, great demand in mainstream and media, gained huge fanbase that challenged Taker and Rock fans greatly in segments and matches (non in the current roster can do that), also Punk was outselling Cena shirts for months (Bryan can never do that and he's not the top guy in merchandise, Cena and Punk are unless you can prove it), did great attendance when Cena wasn't even there or scheduled to be there many reports proved it ,etc.

Ratings got worse when it turned to 3 hours show. Trust me if Punk is not a draw Vince will not push him as a #2 guy. So, get over it, and again your ignorance played it part again when you said Punk was only pushed because Batista/HBK/Edge were gone, that's 100% false, Punk pipebomb did it and brought a lot of Mainstream and if Batista/HBK/Edge where there, then Punk will have feuded with them and he will beat them as it was the hottest time of his career and Punk mentioned them multiple times in promos which just proves that Punk/WWE wanted competition, who doesn't you fool. Punk once said if it wasn't for his promo you wouldn't see Bryan getting pushed, and the two members of The Shield and many others to be signed and get that push and he wanted to be labeled as the main part of the reason as the other guys in the development says Punk inspired them, he always appreciated them. So yeah say thank you Punk instead + you act like Bryan and the other names you mentioned will have been pushed over Punk when the part timers where full timers .

Jericho was/is still considered a threat? who said that? You , he was never drawing ratings, casual dont see him as a threat anymore, he lost near million viewers in separate weeks. Also genius you still didn't answer me who did become a big draw when they got a similar push like Punk, I dare you to found me one that lost that amount of big matches in one year and considered a threat and a big draw.

Highest rating for SD? that was clearly because of Mark Henry and Big show feuding with him at the same time and Bryan will not do shit if it was someone like Christian, Orton, Sheamus, etc. and if you do believe than let me ask you... who's a bigger draw from the following Henry/Show or Bryan/Christian/Sheamus/Orton and if you said the other 2 or 3 of them are, then you will officially lose all the arguments and I will not bother talking to an ignoramus. It got constant 2.0 when Henry returned and Show being also as a big factor.

Edited: Punk > Bryan OVERALL. You make a poll and Punk will win in a landslide, stop embarrassing yourself. Punk has a much bigger fanbase. It's beyond me how you think Bryan is better than Punk in every aspect. Punk beats him in mic skills, character wise, personality, uniquer look, more charismatic (if Bryan can get his name chanted over and louder than Rock and Taker than we can talk ), way more ballsy, can carry feuds all by himself, better storyteller, much smarter and brilliant in what he does unlike Bryan (Many guys backstage acknowledge it and Henry in recent interview said it), etc. All Bryan has over Punk is ring skills which means nothing as Punk is very good himself.

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did you just say Dean, Bryan, and even Rollins will draw bigger than Punk and that they will bring more mainstream and ratings .
No I didn't you illiterate douche nozzle. I said if those guys were given Punk's 434 day push they would be drawing better than he is now. You keep leaving that part out. They need a mega push to be taken seriously. Punk's had a mega push and still has hit his ceiling.

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Let me tell you what Punk did as a draw, the hottest shirt since Austin shirt (Punk said it), successful buyrates without even Cena in MainEvent neither him being in the PPV (Bryan can never do that), his DVD was sold for more than 212k buys which is a big success, great demand in mainstream and media, gained huge fanbase that challenged Taker and Rock fans greatly in segments and matches (non in the current roster can do that), also Punk was outselling Cena shirts for months (Bryan can never do that and he's not the top guy in merchandise, Cena and Punk are unless you can prove it), did great attendance when Cena wasn't even there or scheduled to be there many reports proved it ,etc.
Punk also said his "shoot" was real. Punk says a lot of things that makes Punk look good. Bryan is the top merch seller right now. It's been reported. Do your own homework. Shortcuts are the reason you border on mental retardation as it is. And Punk's fandom challenged Rock and Taker's, huh? I'd laugh but you've proven yourself to be a sad delusional little man with that statement and to be honest I'm starting to feel like I'm slapping around a special needs case.

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Punk once said if it wasn't for his promo you wouldn't see Bryan getting pushed, and the two members of The Shield and many others to be signed and get that push and he wanted to be labeled as the main part of the reason as the other guys in the development says Punk inspired them, he always appreciated them.
Yeah Punk is responsible for that. Not Bret Hart, Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho or HBK, or Misterio...it was all Punk. Let's all get down on our knees like Brick here and blow the great CM Punk. How did wrestling exist before Puny Phil came along.

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I dare you to found me one that lost that amount of big matches in one year and considered a threat and a big draw.
What big matches did Punk lose last year? Hell this year his big losing streak is to Rock and Taker. That's it.

Honestly is it just me? I can't understand half of what this clown is posting about.

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Highest rating for SD? that was clearly because of Mark Henry and Big show feuding with him at the same time and Bryan will not do shit if it was someone like Christian, Orton, Sheamus, etc. in that time of 2.0 and if you do than let me ask you who's a bigger draw from the following Henry/Show or Bryan/Christian/Sheamus/Orton and if you said the other 2 or 3 of them are, then you will officially lose all the arguments and I will not bother talking to an ignoramus.
So you are saying Bryan can draw unless it is against bigger names (even though there is no proof of that). Isn't that the argument leveled at Punk all the time. Too bad we don't have weekly quarter hour ratings to prove that. Oh wait we do.

Ignoramus? Your first big word. And you even used it correctly in a sentence. That's so cute. You keep this up and you'll be off that short bus in no time.

BTW you are right that the Bryan/Orton match didn't draw well. Then the next week a Punk/Orton main event match got beat by a DIVA'S MATCH FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.
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No I didn't you illiterate douche nozzle. I said if those guys were given Punk's 434 day push they would be drawing better than he is now. You keep leaving that part out. They need a mega push to be taken seriously. Punk's had a mega push and still has hit his ceiling.

You're telling me that I cant read probably . You just skipped everything and changed the subject like the faggot you're. Insulting me like an idiot will not help your arguments, you skipped almost everything I said and all you did in respond is assume things like its facts . I didn't leave that part it just happens to be stupid and wrong. They're getting mega pushes both The Shield (got clean wins over midcarders/Maineventers) and Bryan just defeated two top guys in Sheamus and Orton clean. They're already heading that path and still not even a slight improvements in ratings. Punk was not even the headliner nor that he had credible opponents in his reign, he just defeated midcarders and got booked like a chicken shit ever since he turned heel.

Punk also said his "shoot" was real. Punk says a lot of things that makes Punk look good. Bryan is the top merch seller right now. It's been reported. Do your own homework. Shortcuts are the reason you border on mental retardation as it is. And Punk's fandom challenged Rock and Taker's, huh? I'd laugh but you've proven yourself to be a sad delusional little man with that statement and to be honest I'm starting to feel like I'm slapping around a special needs case.

What report exactly? how is Bryan the top merch seller right now? I visit the WrestlingInc website like everyday and not one report said that. You're just delusional that's all. Retardation , are you trying to impress someone or you just talk nonsense all the time.

Yeah Punk is responsible for that. Not Bret Hart, Guerrero, Benoit, Jericho or HBK, or Misterio...it was all Punk. Let's all get down on our knees like Brick here and blow the great CM Punk. How did wrestling exist before Puny Phil came along.

What the hell is this? I cant stop laughing. Just complete ignorance and that completely doesn't relate to what I was saying.


What big matches did Punk lose last year? Hell this year his big losing streak is to Rock and Taker. That's it.

When did I say last year I'm talking about this year, but since you mentioned it, who the hell did Punk beat last year? just bunch of mid carders. How is that a big push in your view? Bryan defeating Sheamus and Orton clean meant way more than Punk beating midcarders. I'm talking about this year you clown... He lost to Rock twice, Cena, Taker, Kane all less than 2 months. What else not to consider.?

Honestly is it just me? I can't understand half of what this clown is posting about.

Of course you cant . You cant back up anything with facts just delusions and assumptions from an imbecile. You live in a fantasy world kid where reality is not part of you.

So you are saying Bryan can draw unless it is against bigger names (even though there is no proof of that). Isn't that the argument leveled at Punk all the time. Too bad we don't have weekly quarter hour ratings to prove that. Oh wait we do.

Nope, I said it was above 2.0 because of Henry returning and Show being involved in the WHC against a midget. People wanted that dwarf to be squashed it's fun to watch. Casual loves that.

Ignoramus? Your first big word. And you even used it correctly in a sentence. That's so cute. You keep this up and you'll be off that short bus in no time.



BTW you are right that the Bryan/Orton match didn't draw well. Then the next week a Punk/Orton main event match got beat by a DIVA'S MATCH FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER.

Lol, Punk still got a 3.13 overrun and what did Bryan/Orton do 2.78 or something like that. As I said Punk drawing power decreased when he lost mostly all of his credibility against them. Punk also lost against Cena in Raw and freaking Kane all in WM season and WWE want us to believe that hes a threat to Taker after that lol. Yeah great booking and Punk got everything he wanted and more from WWE, yeah right .
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Continue your ignorance, yeah Bryan, Dean, and even Rollins will get better ratings.

Everything else you said still makes no sense and is just a wet dreams of a guy that is biased about Bryan and again you continue to bark about Punk on not being this and that even tho I just showed you facts and opinions of true legends. I can own the living shit out of you easily but I dont want to be kicked out or be suspended for a guy who's not worth it.


Edited: Also , its not actually the first time Divas match gains viewers before the Mainevent just another reason why you dont know a damn thing about ratings, but again, still you try to avoid the fact that Bryan was in the overrun this week and that shows how people could careless about Bryan ending the show.

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LOL at the Bryan vs Punk marks attacking each other.

Reminds me of Rock/Punk...while you people were concerned about who was burying who and how Punk was too indy or Rock was too much holding/past his prime back I was focused on enjoying a feud between my alltime Nr.2 and One of my current WWE Top Guys. Of course if A Double ever joined the WWE and feuded with The Rock it would have been an even better experience, but Punk vs Rock felt out of this world for me, considering I never believed in Rock feuding with anybody else but Cena so the Punk/Rock feud was a huge surprise.

Now you got another blockbuster in Punk vs Lesnar, and instead of people thinking about enjoying the match they are concernted about the winner. Well, guess what, even If Lesnar wins, Punk will still look good based on storytelling, I'd rather Punk lose a hard fought battle agaisnt Lesnar and be put over than Lesnar losing against Triple H and Cena in the most awkward fashion and neither guy getting any profit from wrestling him ever.
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Well said. I'm also not too concerned with the winner. I just want a great story that entertains the hell out of me.
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I hope Punk obviously. But either way I'm loving the feud atm, the segment on RAW I personally thought was brilliant!


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This program, thus far, has become exactly what I hoped and more. It's insane how good it is. Two promo-of-the-year segments in a row by Heyman and Punk. Not to mention, Punk has become such an easy character to get behind in this program it's crazy.

This program just makes every other thing on the show look like shit, and not just because everything else is. This program is just so far ahead.
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Agreed, and even Cena isn't really drawing that well anymore. Bryan is different though. He unlike the others you mentioned does connect with kids. How well and for how long remains to be seen. But without a sustained decent push we will never know, so we just have to wait and see.



Agreed but being WWE champ for 434 days was plenty of time. Even if Punk didn't have the final slot of each show he still had the majority of each shows storylines, recaps and talk ups as WWE champion. To pretend otherwise is crazy. All that promotion behind him for 434 days and this is the best he can do. It's pathetic. That kind of push could have made other superstars into goldmines. Bryan, Ambrose, even Wyatt's new character, with a year of a mega push, would have done better than where Punk is now. There is something about Punk that turns certain people off.....fair or unfair.
So it seems we agreed on a lot of things. Where our opinion is different though, is that you think Punk doesnt draw, because of him, while I think he doesnt draw, because of this era and, because of his character.

I just get easily provocated of some people in this tread also, who just look at rating numbers and say this wrestler and this wrestler cant draw, without been able to look behind the numbers.
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I can't believe my fucking eyes when people say CM Punk is better and stronger than Brock Lesnar, seriously if Punk won i'll be so fucking sad. A guy who beat Undertaker in HIAC and beat Hulk Hogan lose to CM Punk?!
i was a big CM Punk fan, but after this feud, i'm done with that loser.
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