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post #1001 of 2074 (permalink) Old 07-18-2013, 01:46 AM
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Re: CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar & Paul Heyman Feud

Punk is clearly the #2 face. It isn't even a debate right now; it's an open-and-shut case. I don't mind a Punk/Axel feud, but that should be for Night of Champions instead of Survivor Series. Once again, Punk should lose at Summerslam, but if he is to ever get his win back, it should be at the next PPV in Chicago (uncleanly of course). Between that time, he can do his own redemption storyline where he helps put people over in world title feuds and possibly wrestles against The Shield.

And Punk has showed off the size difference in his matches against Ryback, Henry, Big Show, Kane, Undertaker, and even Cena.

Against Ryback at Hell in a Cell, Punk was being tossed around like no other world champion ever has. In their TLC match, Ryback again overpowered Punk (even doing a very long stalling suplex). The entire story of that match was Ryback's power and size vs. Punk's intelligence and cunning nature.

Against Henry, Punk didn't even bother lifting Henry up. Punk's offense consisted entirely of strikes and weapon shots. Heck, the man lost cleanly to Henry during his big face push. Mark dominated in all of their matches and it took crucial errors by Henry for the tide to turn in Punk's favor.

Against Big Show, he only bothered lifting him up once, and it was to further the size difference story. Punk aimed low against Big Show and attacked his legs. He even went as far as to stomp on Big Show's feet; a tactic that Rey Mysterio often used against bigger opponents.

Against Kane, Punk had to resort to either attacking Kane's legs or going after Kane's already injured arm. Once again, Punk played off the size difference in a match against Kane when he attempted to lift Kane up for the GTS, but Kane just toppled on Punk. In fact, I don't think Punk ever beat Kane cleanly now that I think about it.

Punk did not dominate for most of his match against Undertaker. Undertaker got just as much offense in (including his signature tropes) and Punk took control off of counters to Undertaker. Taker overpowered Punk multiple times and even no-sold his finisher. Punk's other big breaks in that match also occurred because of Heyman's interference; not because Punk "matched up" to Undertaker. Also look at the way Undertaker does a Backlund-like lift of Punk when Punk used the Anaconda Vice. The only time Punk really matched up in a standing position with Undertaker was during their strike exchange, which still works in kayfabe because Punk is considered a very good striker. Even then, Punk lost that battle and had to resort to knocking out the referee and Heyman's assistance to get out of that predicament.

When Cena faces Punk, Cena gets to show off his power offense more than with any other opponent (Emerald Frosion, Powerbomb, Spinning Side Slam). Cena also regularly lifts Punk up from a ground position to show off his strength in their matches. We also regularly see Cena's crossbody catch spot as well. There are tons of instances where Cena overpowers Punk in their matches. Besides, the size advantage for Cena isn't even that big as they're roughly the same height. What is played off is the strength advantage.

This isn't even covering some of Punk's other well-done matches against bigger opponents, such as Umaga, Samoa Joe, Big Daddy V, etc. Forgot to also mention his match at GAB 08 against Batista. Face/face match, but Punk works from the bottom against Batista who overpowers him by hitting power moves and throwing him around. Punk's offense consists of keeping his distance from Batista and kicking his legs, with a reverse cross body from the top rope added in.


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The only reason Lesnar is even back in the WWE, is because he couldn't cut it in the UFC any more. He's not a legit MMA fighter now, he is a pro-wrestler, he's back in the land of make-believe - a world where reality is thrown out the window, and ANYTHING is possible... and if that means losing to Punk, then so be it. As for all this whinging and crying about Lesnar's "aura" being damaged... as I've pointed out before, Lesnar's aura has long gone - I'd say it went around the time Velasquez was knocking him about and left him cowering on the mat, with a vagina under his eye...

aura going...


...going



gone....

Plus, add the fact that since being back, Lesnar has already lost two out of his three matches - both to men that Punk has more than comfortably, been able to hang with, so this talk about Lesnar's "aura", is moot, anyway... he is simply just another WWE superstar now. Also, like THANOS said, a win for Lesnar does nothing to improve his standing... but a win for Punk is HUGE. Not to mention that the crowd will be behind Punk - like they were on Monday, and will want to see him overcome the beast. As for those questioning why Punk is calling out Lesnar and not acting scared, the answer is simple... Punk's character is built on the premise of him being a maverick, and Punk simply doesn't give a shit - in his mind, he is the best in the world. He knows he is going to get a beating, but he'll gladly accept it, if it means he can get his hands on Lesnar.


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Re: CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar & Paul Heyman Feud

I've read parts of what all these walls of text are saying but why I will say is, the whole 'size issue' and 'credibility' thing regarding Punk is doing my head in!
No I'm not a biased Punk mark, he has his flaws like everyone does, but I'm sick of hearing the same old crap about his size. Why is it such an issue with him? Off memory The Rock isn't much smaller then Lesnar and either is the Undertaker who Punk stole the show with at Mania? If his not seen as legitimate why the fuck is he entering a program with Brock? Smaller men win against larger men on occasions but for it to be believable which seems to be another thing bothering everyone it has to be booked properly and when I say properly I mean fucking precise. It needs to be David vs Goliath, Brock needs to continue to dominate Punk, go into Summerslam looking like a killer. Then when they face off have Brock dominates big periods, have a 40 min or so match, but the storytelling needs to be pin point, such as having Brock struggle to finish Punk off, then have Punk claw his way back slowly and end it with 2 GTS' or via submission, something and anything but it has to be a struggle! With Heyman ringside and Punk in ring I'm pretty sure they could tell the story pretty good. If there were stipulations then have Punk belt the living shit out of Lesnar, but like I've said it can very easily be believable but it needs to be sold and story told effectively and the key ingredients are very visible.

Don't for one second suggest Punk vs Axel would be worthy of good viewing, not even gonna bother explaining the bleeding obvious.

And yea Lesnar may still be recovering from that fucking horribly booked Cena loss, but Punk needs this win way more, he needs a huge win over a huge part timer with a good background like Lesnar, he will become way more credible and believable. Brock will suffer but no where near what Punk would if he lost, that would be 4 huge PPV losses in a row this year and really makes no sense for someone who held the title for 434 days.

Lesnar will look credible regardless to me he has an aura around him everytime
he is on m TV screen, if he was going into a match against The Rock at Mania, it
would still look credible as possible for me.

At the end of the day the loss would hurt Punk way more, he needs a career defining or life changing moment and beating Lesnar the 'beast' and getting his payback from his former best friend in Heyman is it.


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Best Heavyweight there is but doesn't look intimidating. Jon, Cain, Silva, Weidman, GSP, Da Silva, etc. Best there is and they will kick all WWE rosters ass, size means shit in front of those gentlemen oops I mean walmart looking guys.
Cain doesn't look intimidating? Why are people acting like Cain is a small guy? He's 6'2, 240lbs, far from small. Of course size matters, that's why the UFC has weight classes, Brock in his prime would have destroyed all of the guys you listed besides Velasquez and maybe Jon Jones.




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wait, are people seriously saying that punk doesn't know how to work bigger guys and just wrestles his basic match regardless of opponent???

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The only reason Lesnar is even back in the WWE, is because he couldn't cut it in the UFC any more. He's not a legit MMA fighter now, he is a pro-wrestler, he's back in the land of make-believe - a world where reality is thrown out the window, and ANYTHING is possible... and if that means losing to Punk, then so be it. As for all this whinging and crying about Lesnar's "aura" being damaged... as I've pointed out before, Lesnar's aura has long gone - I'd say it went around the time Velasquez was knocking him about and left him cowering on the mat, with a vagina under his eye...

aura going...


...going



gone....

Plus, add the fact that since being back, Lesnar has already lost two out of his three matches - both to men that Punk has more than comfortably, been able to hang with, so this talk about Lesnar's "aura", is moot, anyway... he is simply just another WWE superstar now. Also, like THANOS said, a win for Lesnar does nothing to improve his standing... but a win for Punk is HUGE. Not to mention that the crowd will be behind Punk - like they were on Monday, and will want to see him overcome the beast. As for those questioning why Punk is calling out Lesnar and not acting scared, the answer is simple... Punk's character is built on the premise of him being a maverick, and Punk simply doesn't give a shit - in his mind, he is the best in the world. He knows he is going to get a beating, but he'll gladly accept it, if it means he can get his hands on Lesnar.
Sounds like SOMEBODY doesn't like Brock at all.

Yeah he got his ass handed to him by Cain but I think his Aura disappeared the moment that damn DISEASE got to him. It was already affecting him even when he basically ESCAPED with a submission(of all things) win against Carwin.

But regardless of where Brock is now(land of make-believe; same place as PUNK. Imagine that....), he STILL has that Aura of LEGITIMACY because he went into a LEGIT fighting sport and was the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP of that sport. That put him on a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT level than any of the current WWE Superstars, IMO.

All that said, I fully expect a LESNAR/PUNK TRILOGY to occur 'cause if it's only one match and that's it, then I don't see Brock losing to Punk in that one match. I see him(oh excuse me....let me use *YOUR* logic here) or rather see his CHARACTER basically destroy Punk ultimately.

Punk will EVENTUALLY get his hands on Heyman at some point but not at the expense of BORK LASER.

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Hypocrite much?
Listen to me you pile of shit. I was making fun of him for using gifs to compensate for his zero reasoning IN AN ARGUMENT he had with another person. Meanwhile when I used that picture, I was not in verbal fight with anyone, I was just joking with the guy for saying that he would ignore me... See, those are two completely different situations but your clear lack of comprehension skills makes them look similar.

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Listen to me you pile of shit. I was making fun of him for using gifs to compensate for his zero reasoning IN AN ARGUMENT he had with another person. Meanwhile when I used that picture, I was not in verbal fight with anyone, I was just joking with the guy for saying that he would ignore me... See, those are two completely different situations but your clear lack of comprehension skills makes them look similar.

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Not true. I put idiot trolls who just say dumb shit the whole conversation after facts have been brought to the table. And they blindly continue to state their invalid opinions with no facts to back it up, just them spewing bullshit and looking over just about every post dissecting their asinine theories.
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