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Old 04-08-2013, 12:36 PM   #31 (permalink)
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WWE has backed themselves a bit in a corner with this.

I listened to a Daniel Bryan interview where he said WWE's style is now more just punching and kicking - which is very true if you look at the majority of the matches last night. No chain wrestling, no other massive impact moves except for a Superplex here and a DDT there.

So, now guys have to resort to kick out of finishers - where normally, in a let's say Angle/Benoit match - that kickout would have taken place after the 3 amigos, or the 3 germans - or a dive spot - or a different than signature submission maneuver - or some chain wrestling counters

Watch Bryan / Punk VS Cena / Rock and compare wrestling vs. Kick, kick, punch, signature, finisher to see what I am on about.

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There is nothing wrong with kicking and punching & signature moves if you know how to tell a story in the ring. WWE has used a variation on this "safe style" for a long, long time now. The Kurt Angles and Eddie Guerreros are just exceptions that prove the rule, they would have stood out in any era. I prefer chain wrestling, lucha and in particular English style wrestling myself but there is nothing inherently flawed with WWE's model. Look at Punk Vs Taker for an example of the same style done right. Dean Ambrose is another oldschool minded guy coming up who uses the same style, he'll thrive in WWE with his moveset. Shawn Michaels could wrestle Catch-as-Catch-Can if he wanted to but also use safestyle when he wanted. Its all about the ability to pace a match and tell a story that makes sense. Some guys got it, others don't.
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3 Rock Bottoms that man Cena kicked out of. What a crock of shit.
The problem wasn't so much the fact he kicked out, it was how he kicked out. Cena didn't even make them look like near falls. He began kicking out just after the 2 count and it just looked like your regular kick out after being DDT'd or something. At least try and look like you're beat down and struggling to kick out.
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The problem wasn't so much the fact he kicked out, it was how he kicked out. Cena didn't even make them look like near falls. He began kicking out just after the 2 count and it just looked like your regular kick out after being DDT'd or something. At least try and look like you're beat down and struggling to kick out.
Cena is really bad at kick-outs. Taker was sloppy as well today, but he is old as hell, its just impressive he can even still do it. Rock does a great kick-out, I love how he puts his arm all the way up and does it just at the last moment.
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Old 04-08-2013, 12:55 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I don't really mind it cause it usually backs up the whole story of the match properly especially when were talking Rock and Cena. Were never going to see kickouts otherwise so just be grateful for that.
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After a sharpshooter, a people elbow and 2 rock bottoms, you'd think The Rock hitting a 3rd rock bottom would be a task to kick out of, but Cena kicks out barely after the 2 count. Does he think he is too big to let the ref almost count to the wire, then get the shoulder up?
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WWE matches only tend to end on finishers, so even after a big move people wouldn't be expecting a pin. That's why they need to do finisher kick outs.

It's a shame, because it ruins the match.

I stopped watching TNA because they did the same thing in a Jeff Hardy/Kurt Angle match where they both hit a load of finishers and then it ended with Hardy in the ankle lock for about 5 minutes without tapping out. It made both of them look awful.
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Shawn vs Taker is overhyped just because of that.

100 finisher.

Shawn vs Taker was the first with all that shit.

Fucking overrated WWE PG Shit.

TNA is by far the greater product now.
Shawn and Taker and Taker/Punk did it right in my eyes. Wrestlemania 25 didn't have a ton of finishers. The 2 tombstones and a couple sweet chin music. The hell's gate is a submission so that's a bit different.

Even at wrestlemania 26, undertaker hit 3 tombstones, but one was outside the ring, one shawn kicked out of, and the last one was right after the 2nd one for the win.

Punk/Taker did it right as well. The GTS/Tombstone spot was fine, but there really weren't a ton of finishers. I was afraid of seeing 4 GTS kickouts and 2 tombstone kickouts or something.

Rock/Cena overdid it. Cena kicked out of 3 rock bottoms and a peoples elbow. Even triple h/undertaker overdid it for 2 years in a row.

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The problem wasn't so much the fact he kicked out, it was how he kicked out. Cena didn't even make them look like near falls. He began kicking out just after the 2 count and it just looked like your regular kick out after being DDT'd or something. At least try and look like you're beat down and struggling to kick out.
Yeah Cena fucked that up so bad. The ref was counting way too fast as well so maybe it's his fault. Looked like shit. They weren't even close to near falls
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I agree with OP but then I read the last sentence and realized he was just marking for TNA.....
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It someone kicks out of your "finisher" 3 times in a match its no longer a finisher. Its just a signature move.
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I think Rock and Cena were only a half dozen finisher kickouts away from Meltzer giving it 5 stars.
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