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Old 04-08-2013, 08:21 AM   #11 (permalink)
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A buddy of mine said this while we were watching it, and I think it made total sense:

"They're trying so hard to make this EPIC, but it needs to be good first"

Spamming finishers doesn't not make a match "good", WWE.
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:21 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well thatīs WWE creative. Itīs the laziest way to get a reaction out of fans. Undertaker does it every Mania, but to his credit (more or less) they still try to build a story around it. Cena/Rock literally did nothing else, but hit signature moves/finishing moves for ten straight minutes. In general most WWE matches lack any fighting logic, especially the undercard matches.

Get hit in the head/clotheslined jump up, take another, jump up, take another, jump up and counter. So you couldnīt duck the first three times, but after being hit three times you suddenly feel better and can counter? Or the hitting each other in the face like idiots parts. Just watch the first punch Mark Henry lands on Ryback. He leans back, he turns his body. A pro would be out of the way before Henry even starts swinging. I wonder if they are told to wrestle stupid, so the main matches look better.
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It's not creative, they don't tend to write the matches. Cena and Rock would have done that, the blame falls on their shoulders. No understanding of chemistry, they looked like they were trying to get through it as quickly as possible. Neither Rock nor Cena can tell a story in the ring. They both can wrestle great matches if the other guy is leading them through it (like Punk or Austin) due to great movesets/ring awareness, but neither Cena nor Rock has EVER been able to pace a match. It was a trainwreck waiting to happen.
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Yeah they abused the hell out of it last night especially in Rock/Cena II the first couple of times it worked but towards the end i swear there were about 9 rock bottoms along with like 10 attitude adjustments. I felt like i was just watching finishers and building momentum and in ring psychology was completely thrown out the window. I feel sorry for the commentators since they still have to act like they're shocked everytime someone kicks out of a finisher. It makes for a huge amount of inconsistency as well because its like Cena kicked out of 7 rock bottoms so why cant he kick out of everything else (which in most cases he does but there are times when he doesnt). HBK/Taker got the back to back finisher routine perfect because there were few finishers and they were few and far in between and in between they still managed to tell a great story.

Taker/Punk didnt abuse the hell out of it either i believe there were more than one finisher but again they were nicely spaced out and the wrestlers built momentum and when they kicked out again it made for some shock value.
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It's not creative, they don't tend to write the matches. Cena and Rock would have done that, the blame falls on their shoulders. No understanding of chemistry, they looked like they were trying to get through it as quickly as possible. Neither Rock nor Cena can tell a story in the ring. They both can wrestle great matches if the other guy is leading them through it (like Punk or Austin) due to great movesets/ring awareness, but neither Cena nor Rock has EVER been able to pace a match. It was a trainwreck waiting to happen.
Of course there are guidelines set by creative/management on the matches. Maybe not for Rock and Cena. They just go through the motions with minimal effort to cash their next paycheque. Why would they risk anything? The problem is the wrestlers, who want to climb up the ladder have to dumb down their matches, so the three main matches look better. Or they are really that bad. Canīt have an undercard match steal the show.
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Rock/Cena totally killed it. It just didn't work in the match, it was never the right time to do it. It just felt like a finisher fest. I think Punk/Taker got the right balance because the HHH/Taker and Taker/Michaels also used excessive amounts of finisher but Taker only kicked out of 1 big spot which was the urn and Punk only kicked out of 1 tombstone.
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Of course there are guidelines set by creative/management on the matches. Maybe not for Rock and Cena. They just go through the motions with minimal effort to cash their next paycheque. Why would they risk anything? The problem is the wrestlers, who want to climb up the ladder have to dumb down their matches, so the three main matches look better. Or they are really that bad. Canīt have an undercard match steal the show.
You don't know anything about how the industry works. Rock and Cena likely had a general direction the feud was going in and of course they already knew the result long before, but the match would have been written between the two of them. You realise that the same wrestlers don't have sloppy, badly paced matches again and again because by coincidence, or because they are bad at remembering what to do?
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Also add in the fact that the outcomes were never in question either - so there was zero drama when Rock was pinning Cena to begin with (Or Punk pinning Undertaker for that matter).

And it is on the wrestlers, Cena very audibly called for a Rock Bottom during the match. Neither are ring generals, and the match completely devolved into nothing but kicking out of each others finishers, than kicking out of their own finishers. It was ridiculous to the point it was amusing (for all the wrong reasons) by the end.
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You don't know anything about how the industry works. Rock and Cena likely had a general direction the feud was going in and of course they already knew the result long before, but the match would have been written between the two of them. You realise that the same wrestlers don't have sloppy, badly paced matches again and again because by coincidence, or because they are bad at remembering what to do?

You canīt even read. I said Cena/Rock wrestled it like that because it was the most convenient way for them. Why would Rock put any major effort into his matches, when he is off to his next movie sin a few months. He knows WWE needs him, because they have no other stars. They will pay him big money for his next one match, just like Lesnar, just like Undertaker. They have nobody else. Rock and Cena donīt need to have great matches. Where else would they go? Obviously some of the undercarders could have greater matches than the main event like Bryan, but not in six minutes.
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I was so sick of it. It looked like they can't do anything else. Cena and Rock just..ran out of moves and everything just went to finshers after finishers after finishers. Dumb
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