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Old 02-01-2013, 02:12 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Vince is getting what he deserves...Low ratings.
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Jesus, how many times are they going to milk this, "the champ is here" shit? Does he really need another title reign? It's not benefiting the business in any way, other than the ratings might go up a little bit for a week or 2. They should be keeping Cena well away from the title because he's going to draw anyway. I just don't get it.

If they are going with Rock/Cena 2 (which is stupid), then I believe they've made a big error in having the wrong guy chasing the title. The Rock has rescued the last 2 manias because 2 landmarks in his career, drew people in. WM 27 was all about his return to WWE, and WM 28 was all about him wrestling again. The draw for WM 29 should have been him finally winning the belt again after 10 years. They stupidly gave that away at the Rumble though and I reckon there going to pay for that when the buyrate for WM 29 comes in.
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Cena will eventually turn heel. If Hogan and Austin went heel cena definitely will. When? I have no clue but it'll happen. Whenever they find their next face of the company he's definitely turning.


My ideal heel turn would be during a wrestlemania match with taker ending the streak. Imagine cena turning.heel during the match and pinned taker? That will be the most heat EVER!
Hogan never turned heel in WWE. WCW was another world and they were used to the larger than life superstars that were in WWE. That's why Hogan turned heel, the WCW crowd couldn't embrace the Hulk Hogan WWE character, so they changed it.

Austin's heel turn was a financial failure and useless. It was basically just a swerve to do a swerve. It served no real purpose, the fans still liked Austin when he turned. And most of all, he was face again less than a year later.

So, you have John Cena. Sure, he's not universally liked, but he has a big fanbase. Turning him heel will just have the same effect Austin's heel turn did IMO. It was be a loss financially. Think about it, who buys Cena's merchandise? The kids. To them he's their hero, their Superman. If he turned heel they lose that money from the kids.

Than there's the mixed crowd response he get's a lot. What if he turned heel. But, the fans that don't like him (the older fans) began to accept and cheer his new character. While the kids boo him because he "betrayed them." Were back to square one. It's not like his reactions are mellow or deteriorating, he get's one of the biggest reactions every night (the biggest when other big names aren't evolved).

He doesn't have to turn heel to have a character change. Turning him heel will only please the smarks and the IWC and I think they've done that too many times already with Cena.
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You all may make fun of people with "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!" for the young kids or marks or whatever, but you guys are even worse than them. You have this deep-seeded legitimate rage for Cena and his fans to the point where you let it affect your day to day life.

Grow up. Seriously.
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Old 02-01-2013, 09:02 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Hogan never turned heel in WWE. WCW was another world and they were used to the larger than life superstars that were in WWE. That's why Hogan turned heel, the WCW crowd couldn't embrace the Hulk Hogan WWE character, so they changed it.

Austin's heel turn was a financial failure and useless. It was basically just a swerve to do a swerve. It served no real purpose, the fans still liked Austin when he turned. And most of all, he was face again less than a year later.

So, you have John Cena. Sure, he's not universally liked, but he has a big fanbase. Turning him heel will just have the same effect Austin's heel turn did IMO. It was be a loss financially. Think about it, who buys Cena's merchandise? The kids. To them he's their hero, their Superman. If he turned heel they lose that money from the kids.

Than there's the mixed crowd response he get's a lot. What if he turned heel. But, the fans that don't like him (the older fans) began to accept and cheer his new character. While the kids boo him because he "betrayed them." Were back to square one. It's not like his reactions are mellow or deteriorating, he get's one of the biggest reactions every night (the biggest when other big names aren't evolved).

He doesn't have to turn heel to have a character change. Turning him heel will only please the smarks and the IWC and I think they've done that too many times already with Cena.
At this point I don't think turning heel would get people to cheer John Cena unless he was so entertaining doing it that it would be impossible not to cheer him like The Rock in 2003. John Cena is pretty much like New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez many Yankee fans wish they would eat the remaining 114 million dollars on his contract and go away. Many people at this point wish Cena would do the same heel turn or no heel turn.
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Hopefully they see sense, and put a new star over Cena at summerslam.
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If Cena doesn't turn heel, which he obviously wont. He will get more aggressive. He has an excuse now, like "you have a title that you have never deserved in the first place, at Wrestlemania I will take that title, before you take it back to hollywood, because you obviously ain't staying for much longer"
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Old 02-02-2013, 10:25 AM   #38 (permalink)
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A lot of my friends are casuals and most of them have quit watching wrestling because of him. Just saying.


A lot of people left long before Cena was even pushed
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At this point I don't think turning heel would get people to cheer John Cena unless he was so entertaining doing it that it would be impossible not to cheer him like The Rock in 2003. John Cena is pretty much like New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez many Yankee fans wish they would eat the remaining 114 million dollars on his contract and go away. Many people at this point wish Cena would do the same heel turn or no heel turn.
Cena already was cheered as a heel in 2003 because he was so entertaining.

Trust me, when John Cena turns heel, or changes his character, he will get cheered by the smarks. The night after WrestleMania 28, Cena said something to the effects of " A lot of you think I'm going to air my grievances and turn my back on the WWE Universe." The crowd instantly began a "YES" chant. If he turned heel, he would get cheered by the smarks/IWC, I'm sure of it.

Hell, he was getting mixed responses during 2003 during his heel run, that's why they turned him face before Survivor Series 2003. If he changed his character now, after being a face for 8 years, the smarks would like him. A lot of the smarks want him to change his character, they want him to turn heel. If he turned heel, he would be cheered by the older fans. The smarks love heels, if John Cena was a heel they would love him to.

His character in 2003 was a white-rapper. And it wasn't meant to be cheered, because he was a heel. But he began to get mixed reactions because of it. If it was now, he would he cheered much more than in 2003 by the older fans because he character would be something more serious and intimidating. When Hogan turned heel in WCW, he was very serious. When Austin turned heel, he went corporate. His character is going to completely opposite of what he is now. The smarks don't like his character now, so wouldn't they like it if his character was completely different?

John Cena has to beat The Rock at WrestleMania. If he loses again, than WWE basically have no clue what their doing with him. You cannot book your top face to lose 3 WrestleMania matches in a row. I understand Cena losing to Rock the first time (even thought I wasn't a fan of it). It was because they were doing a rematch and they didn't want Rock to look "weak" going into it against Cena this year. But eventually The Rock will have to lose, and the only person who has the star power to beat him is John Cena.

Sure, the NY/NJ crowd will boo him. But when has that stopped WWE from booking Cena strong? When has that stopped WWE from booking Cena to go over? He got booed at WM 22, WM 23, and Unfiorgiven 2006. He won all of those matches. For some reason over the last year or so, WWE has been booking towards the smarks. Cena lost to Rock, Tensai, Laurantitis, was pinned by Punk, and lost to Dolph Ziggler. That's 5 loses in one year. I don't think Austin or Hogan ever had 5 loses in one year. Someone is WWE seems to care about the smarks when the don't do anything for the WWE except bitch when things don't go their way. WWE should never book to the smarks/IWC because they will bitch when things DO go their way sometimes.

And as regards to a heel turn, that's not happening for a long time. John Cena still get's big pops. Stills sells shit-loads of merchandise, he still get's mixed reactions. If WWE turned him heel, and the audience flipped in regards to the reactions he get's (kids boo him/older fans cheer him) than it'll be a huge loss. It'll be like the Austin heel turn, when Austin was still a fan favorite but they turned him anyway. Sure, Cena's not a "fan favorite" but he still has a large fanbase who ill boo him if he turned heel. Than the older fans will cheer and embrace his new character, were back to square one.

And the Hogan heel turn shouldn't be comparable to a Cena heel turn. Why? Because when Hogan was in WCW, he was in another world. The world of Sting, Ric Flair, the Four Horseman, Dusty Rhodes. WCW was more old school as compared to the over the top WWE. The world in WWE as built for and around Hogan, WCW wasn't. That's why his WWE character wasn't fully embraced by the WCW audience, because the world of WCW weren't used to the larger than life character Hulk Hogan. So they turned him heel.

The thing is, if he does turn heel, he will be a dominate heel. I'm sorry, he's not going to be feuding with Kofi Kingston, or Zack Ryder. If he turns heel, he going to want the WWE Championship again. If he wins that said WWE Championship, people will bitch, even if he's a heel. There is no way John Cena turns heel without him winning the WWE Championship shortly after. Hogan did it when he turned heel, Austin won the Championship the night he turned heel. It's a very good way to establish a new dominate heel, give them the gold.

So now John Cena is a heel, dominate as ever, and WWE Champion. It would be the same as if John Cena was a face.

John Cena should win at Wrestlemankia 29 and the WWE shouldn't give two shits about the crowd reaction. They never did before, why start now?
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I also can't believe how much you let Cena ruin your own lives by doing what he does.

You all may make fun of people with "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMN IT!" for the young kids or marks or whatever, but you guys are even worse than them. You have this deep-seeded legitimate rage for Cena and his fans to the point where you let it affect your day to day life.

Grow up. Seriously.
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