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post #1631 of 3421 (permalink) Old 03-09-2013, 05:23 AM
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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

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wwe won't do a big heel turn at wrestlemania 30, no way we're leaving wrestlemania 30 without a celebration, so it's heel turn now or wait til 2015, the latter is unlikely, therefore he's turning heel at this mania.
-If John Cena doesn't turn heel against Rock;Rock's return has been of no use.

-Comes back for a few matches,PPV buys increases,loses to Cena.Cena remains as face.Everything back to normal

-John Cena turning heel against Rock-It doesn't get bigger than this for Cena.Do it WWE
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Re: Proof and Evidence that John Cena Will turn Heel at Wrestlemania 29

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I would argue that gives Cena all the more momentum as a top villian if he were to turn at Wrestlemania. A top heel that can't be stopped is something WWE has failed to create in years...about a decade actually.

And Austin won the Rumble in '01...just an FYI...



I don't think the turn in this case is about a superstar being turned on, but rather the "Cenation" being turned in. One could argue that Austin turned on the people, but I would beg to differ as I think it was a completely different situation. Austin, while a hero, was never a fighter for, or defender of the people. His character was a lone wolf, anti- hero, that was always in it for himself. The fans were more or less just along for the ride, where as with a babyface like Rock, Hogan or Cena, the fans are what fuel them. The People/Hulkamaniacs/Cenation are just as important a part of those characters as the ideas they fought for. But Austin? He was different and his turn on Rock was truely done for his gain, not to prove anything to the fans...because for the Austin character, it never was about the fans to begin with.

I think the OP makes some good points, but I think too much is being put on "what Austin did". While there are similarities, the turn of John Cena (whenever it does happen) will be different from those of Austin and Hogan because the motives are so dradtically different. If Austin had faced HHH at Wrestlemania 17 and went to desperate measures to beat him, then a parrallel could be drawn between Cena and Rock - but that's not what happened. Austin faced Rock, who he had already beat at Wrestlemania for the title, two years prior so he wasn't trying to avenge anything. He wanted the WWF title back and was going to do whatever he had to to do so. Cena needs this win, not for the title, but to finish what he failed to finish the year before in the "biggest match of his career". Cena is not fighting for the fans going into Wrestlemania 29, or even the boys in the back like many would say he was doing last year, but rather he's fighting for himself. THAT is the biggest change I'm seeing in Cena right now, and think is the greatest possible indicator for a heel turn to ensure he gets the job done this year.

As many others on the thread have stated, I'll believe it when I see it. However, I do think the possibility for it is stronger than ever as I think WWE realizes two things. #1: There are/will be very few ways and opportunities in which Cena can be turned at this point...the stage has to be the biggest (only Mania will suffice) and the opponent has to be larger than he is (which at this point is only Rock). #2: Rock vs Cena II is far too predictable. Something needs to go down in this match to add the flare to it that it currently doesn't have. WWE needs something huge to carry the company post Mania once the likes of Rock/Taker/HHH go away, and a fresh John Cena as the top villian in the company (as WWE Champion mind you) could be just the answer they are looking for.
That would be a good heel promo, "last year I did it for you guys, and it got me nowhere, because I cared for what you thought, just before I mocked the rock's peoples elbow at mania 28(remember the look on his face before he mocked rocks elbow, as if he was going to turn heel), I was contemplating on cheating, but then i thought of all of you, so i changed my mind and committed the greatest error in my life, for what? for you, I lost my wife because of you, my confidence, my hustle, my loyalty to myself and my respect, I had the worst year of my life, and when i finally think forget the "cenation" and fight for myself and do what it takes(cheat, heel turn at mania) I finally beat the rock, so I'm done with y'all, because ya'll got me nowhere, my time is now." something like that.
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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

I feel this feud is similar to the plot of the movie "Rocky II" except the roles of Creed and Rocky are reversed to where The Rock plays a Rocky (except as a champion) and Cena as Creed who is hungry, tired of people saying it was a fluke loss, wanting to prove his worth, that he needs that rematch and to hell with the consequences.

Anyway, I don't buy this redemption angle at all mainly because he's not clear that he's redeeming anything except his pride.

I mean, wasn't it him who wanted The Rock in the first place? What actually is he redeeming? Confidence, his self worth? His fans? A chance to rewrite the history books? Oh Cena after years of winning, being handed championships and title shots you want to rewrite the history on your only major loss as if were a blot, a fluke, something that didn't really happen. Sorry it doesn't work like that. This loss you had Cena was charma and it came around and bit you on the ass, and now you want a rematch because you don't like the bitter taste of losing.

I wish The Rock had called out his "redemption" line and called for what it really was, something like -- "Redemption? Seriously? Redemption? Wasn't it you, John Cena, who wanted that match? Wasn't it you, John Cena who went around the world, from pillar to post talking to anyone who'd listen saying 'Where's the Rock? Why did he have to leave? Why isn't The Rock here?' -- well John Cena I came back just like you asked -- you got your ass handed to you. Redemption? Redemption?! No, no, no Cena; this isn't redemption, this is the John Cena Worldwide Apology tour"
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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

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-If John Cena doesn't turn heel against Rock;Rock's return has been of no use.

-Comes back for a few matches,PPV buys increases,loses to Cena.Cena remains as face.Everything back to normal

-John Cena turning heel against Rock-It doesn't get bigger than this for Cena.Do it WWE
That's exactly what is gonna happen. This is just Vince trying to get Cena over more again. Make more money then back to normal. Other than money, Rocks return will have no impact at all.

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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

To be honest the promo segment was pretty good but unless a certain superstar turns i won't care

I'm a fan of these two i don't give a fuck
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Cena rapping again about Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is something I really want to see in this buildup



When you see the smile from Stephanie's face you already know the winner of this match .

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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

I re-watched the promo from Monday and this picture is revealing to me:



That's the look of a man that will do ANYTHING not to lose. There's a difference between Cena trying to do everything to win and everything not to lose. I really believe Cena will win doing something that will get the Universe to look at him differently, and not for the right reasons.


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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

a lot of asinine posting going on here. i'm lolling at certain posters that think that THE ROID returning for Extreme Rules means he's going over. don't fucking kid yourselves. he's a transitional champion. Cena will make dat boi tap in the center of the ring and i will be drinking ROID MARK tears all night.


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a lot of asinine posting going on here. i'm lolling at certain posters that think that THE ROID returning for Extreme Rules means he's going over. don't fucking kid yourselves. he's a transitional champion. Cena will make dat boi tap in the center of the ring and i will be drinking ROID MARK tears all night.
ROCK will lose at WM but it wont be by tap out.

My only hope is that Cena does turn heel because it's been long overdue.
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Re: Official The Rock vs. John Cena Thread: Greatness vs. Redemption, TWICE IN A LIFE

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Cena said Perkins was right. "Mine eye and heart are at immortal war," he said. Cena said he watches Mania as a fan, so he will be caught up in the event, but his heart wants to whip The Rock's ass. So, he's at this war with himself because he wants to win the WWE Title at WM29. Cena said he will be there and his heart and soul will go into that match. He said, "I promise you, you won't believe your eyes."
Cena is definitely winning in a shocking fashion
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