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Re: I'll Be Honest I Think Vince Is Gonna Let The Rock Go Over Cena Again At WM29.

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First off ff Cena continues what he's doing now until he retires the guy is going to be booed at his own HOF induction. Plus its not just the Attitude Era fans that hate him I started watching WWE in 1993 right at the beginning of the New Generation era and I have never seen a character as unlikable as John Cena. Nothing he does makes you want to root for him and unless you think he's trolling people and really get off on that.

Plus like I have said John Cena is not playing a heel EVER. The only megastar that turn heel was Austin and that was his decision. History has shown that when you reach the level John Cena has reach you don't turn heel in WWE unless you force it or the company's very existence depends on it and right now nether of those options look like they will ever be on the table and that is the whole appeal in seeing Undertaker vs John Cena at Wrestlemania.
You guys booing Cena at his HOF induction is going to make all you then GROWN ASS MEN look rediculous. You guys not rooting for Cena is small potatoes anyway, I am just looking at the big picture. I guess me and the rest of the MAJORITY have a different point of view on John Cena while the MINORITY have their usual adolescent like reasons for hating him. And you are right, Cena has reached a certain level in which a major change in ideals seems unlikely. But this is a different time period, the WWE and John Cena are not stupid, they will know what to do when the time comes to figure out a way for John Cena to extend his career. John Cena is the first HOMEGROWN TALENT to become face of the WWE (Hogan and Austin were developed elsewhere, and Bruno was Mcmahon Sr.'s project, Rock was homegrown too but Austin was the face of the company during their time. That being said, Rock has done a great job in Hollywood and is showing the love that he has for the business that made him and I appreciate that. I hope he becomes one of the biggest movie stars of all time.), they are not going to screw him up.
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The question is will Taker v Lesnar make money, because WWE is perfectly fine with Taker retiring undefeated.
Taker retiring undefeated does not seem like something Mcmahon would. It's just not Vince like. You can't make anymore money off the streak after Taker retires anyway, so just end it. Are you guys gonna keep getting excited every time he wins at Wrestlemania because it is getting tired now.

You guys can't deny that a Taker loss is bigger than another win at this point. Which sounds more fun to talk about: "Man, that is so cool that Taker went 23-0 at WM" "Man, were you there when Taker finally lost at Wrestlemania?". I don't know why I just asked that question on Wrestlingforum.com when I know damn well what the answer is gonna be. But maybe there is at least one person......
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You guys booing Cena at his HOF induction is going to make all you then GROWN ASS MEN look rediculous. You guys not rooting for Cena is small potatoes anyway, I am just looking at the big picture. I guess me and the rest of the MAJORITY have a different point of view on John Cena while the MINORITY have their usual adolescent like reasons for hating him. And you are right, Cena has reached a certain level in which a major change in ideals seems unlikely. But this is a different time period, the WWE and John Cena are not stupid, they will know what to do when the time comes to figure out a way for John Cena to extend his career. John Cena is the first HOMEGROWN TALENT to become face of the WWE (Hogan and Austin were developed elsewhere, and Bruno was Mcmahon Sr.'s project, Rock was homegrown too but Austin was the face of the company during their time. That being said, Rock has done a great job in Hollywood and is showing the love that he has for the business that made him and I appreciate that. I hope he becomes one of the biggest movie stars of all time.), they are not going to screw him up.
Different point of view? Most of the hate on Cena is that he's not going to change he just does the same things year after year since he returned from his neck injury in 2008. I know John Cena is better that what he shows each week but for whatever reason very little about him has evolve in about 5-6 years now. That's not how the entertainment business works you can't just keep doing the same things every year and keep interest up but Vince is going to try that with John Cena.



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Different point of view? Most of the hate on Cena is that he's not going to change he just does the same things year after year since he returned from his neck injury in 2008. I know John Cena is better that what he shows each week but for whatever reason very little about him has evolve in about 5-6 years now. That's not how the entertainment business works you can't just keep doing the same things every year and keep interest up but Vince is going to try that with John Cena.
There is also something in the entertainment business called stability. Just how often should John Cena or anyone else change their character? Should wrestlers alternate between face and heel every year? I see where you are coming from, but the reason Vince is the last promoter standing is the fact that he has always been a long term thinking guy. If Cena was a failure, Vince would have given up or did something with his character a long time ago. The man has been successful in wrestlin since the mid 80's, he knows what he is doing. I'm prepared for the "he is now old and senile" comments.

I can understand why some older fans would "hate" John Cena. You guys are not used to long time protagonists, but many television producers would love to be in the position that Vince is in. I am still entertained.
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There is also something in the entertainment business called stability. Just how often should John Cena or anyone else change their character? Should wrestlers alternate between face and heel every year? I see where you are coming from, but the reason Vince is the last promoter standing is the fact that he has always been a long term thinking guy. If Cena was a failure, Vince would have given up or did something with his character a long time ago. The man has been successful in wrestlin since the mid 80's, he knows what he is doing. I'm prepared for the "he is now old and senile" comments.

I can understand why some older fans would "hate" John Cena. You guys are not used to long time protagonists, but many television producers would love to be in the position that Vince is in. I am still entertained.
Their characters should not change but the stories should if you want some one like John Cena to have a 10-12 year run as a the main protagonist of a show. Like I said he is the main good guy of a show but outside of the beating Brock Lesnar gave him last year you just can't root for him because he's the franchise but yet is the underdog. Plus after he beats Rock & CM Punk this year you can strongly say that he's the only big name star to not really have a true rival as he is not just beaten but run through Edge, Randy Orton, Batista, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Nexus, The Shield.



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Their characters should not change but the stories should if you want some one like John Cena to have a 10-12 year run as a the main protagonist of a show. Like I said he is the main good guy of a show but outside of the beating Brock Lesnar gave him last year you just can't root for him because he's the franchise but yet is the underdog. Plus after he beats Rock & CM Punk this year you can strongly say that he's the only big name star to not really have a true rival as he is not just beaten but run through Edge, Randy Orton, Batista, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, Nexus, The Shield.
I would argue that Edge was the one true rival of Cena during his time in the WWE. CM Punk is close to being what Edge was to Cena. Plus Cena did not necessarily run through those guys that you mentioned. Being the main guy, of course he would win those rivalries in the end. His rivalry with guys like Edge, Orton, Batista etc.. were feuds that were pretty even but they ended with good triumphing over evil as it should. Hell, even he and CM Punk have unfinished business. Don't be surprised if their feud ends with a Cena victory. Unlike Hogan and Austin, Cena is unfortunately in an era in which fans love to tear down the fourth wall and overanalyze things.
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NAH. I know Rock has Austin as his main foil (well, the other way around) , but in this generation they're going to make The Rock seem as if he's been Cena's ultimate rival once Cena-Rock have their trilogy that ends at Wrestlemania XXX.

After tomorrow night I just can't wait for Mania to come TBH, as the build is going to be pretty bad.





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I doubt that will happen; he's their poster boy. I know he didn't have an especially great 2012 but they won't have him losing twice to The Rock at Wrestlemania. They know that Rock won't be around for much longer (he isn't even around much at the moment as their Champion) and they know how much money Cena makes them.

In my eyes, it can only go down one of two ways. Either the Undertaker returns at Elimination Chamber, causing CM Punk to lose to The Rock in his rematch. From there that causes The Rock to move into a rematch against John Cena at Wrestlemania, and for Punk to have his shot at the Undertaker's streak. I think it may be the Undertaker's last WM, in which he will beat Punk. Cena will beat Rock and get back the WWE Championship.

If it turns out that the Undertaker isn't returning, and will miss Wrestlemania (it's unlikely they need him in all honesty), then I think that will lead to a last minute triple threat match for the WWE Championship, including Rock, Cena and Punk, with Punk walking out with the title.

And on another note, I think The Big Show will beat Alberto Del Rio for the World Heavyweight Championship at Elimination Chamber. That will be nicely set-up for Chris Jericho to win the Elimination Chamber match. He will beat The Big Show for the title at Wrestlemania after being beaten up for the majority of their 10 minute match. His music will cut out, Dolph Ziggler's will start - he will finally, successfully cash in his Money in the Bank briefcase and win the title.

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NAH. I know Rock has Austin as his main foil (well, the other way around) , but in this generation they're going to make The Rock seem as if he's been Cena's ultimate rival once Cena-Rock have their trilogy that ends at Wrestlemania XXX.

After tomorrow night I just can't wait for Mania to come TBH, as the build is going to be pretty bad.
I'm the only John Cena fan on this forum and even I would be pissed if Cena/Taker does not headline Mania 30. Even if Cena lost again this year, a match at Mania 30 would piss me off. I completely understand Rock winning last year in order for Cena to get his rematch because it was a feud in which a one and done match would not have been ideal unless Rock was going back to Hollywood permanently but he didn't. This year works but it should also be the end of the feud. Rock can face Lesnar and Cena can face Taker next year. The only part time guy who should be headlining the 30's (WM 31-39) is John Cena (he'll be a special attraction winding down his career by then). As for now, keep guys like Bryan, Ziggler, Barrett, Sheamus, Ryback, Cesaro, etc.. away from these guys. They're still being built up. Even though a Sheamus/Lesnar does sound pretty badass. Sheamus seems like a guy who can take a beating from Lesnar.
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