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**Starbuck** · 09-19-2012, 06:28 PM

We used to have classic matches yearly and then you list 3 from 20 years ago lol. I'm not even talking about classic matches because it's a completely subjective matter. If you don't feel satisfied after paying $60 for the show, assuming that you do and don't stream, then just imagine how, not even disappointed but utterly outraged, the people who paid $2000 to attend would feel if they didn't get at least 1 big match that delivered. Regardless of my own or your personal opinion, for 90% of WWE fans, matches like HBK/Taker, HHH/Taker and Rock/Cena tick the satisfaction box. I don't see how you can claim this years Mania was approached as being just another PPV. HHH/Taker was one of the best built matches we've seen in a long time and was 4 years, you could even argue 20, in the making. Despite it's flaws, Rock/Cena was promoted to death for one full year as well. You can't get a more hyped or promoted top 2 matches than that and for most people, they delivered big time, especially the former.

NearFall · 09-19-2012, 06:48 PM

WrestleMania 28? Nope. Elimination Chamber, Over The Limit, No Way Out were nearly all 1 match shows. With out of those 3 only one really good match, Punk VS Bryan. WrestleMania delivered well. It had 3 big matches. Punk VS Jericho, Taker VS HHH, Rock VS Cena. Rock VS Cena was built up immensely and while the match was slowly paced and lacking, it still had the big stage feel and crowd reactions to help carry it. It was very watchable. Punk VS Jericho, I really hated, I really did, however a large portion of the fan base liked it. It was built mediocre. As for HHH VS Taker. Near-perfection. Absolutely insane matchup. Definitely MOTY for me still. WrestleMania is about big matches, big feuds, we got that.On the undercard we had some new guys. If anything it is after Mania that new talent should be start building up, to be able to be higher on the card the next year(s). You do not throw a half-assedly built talent into a big match against names like Cena/Taker. These matches need well known names, that off big attractions.

For the whole idea of Barrett/Taker, the only time that could ever have been possible is if he was built as a mega-heel as leader of nexus for a full year. Undertaker being the "saviour". However as StarBuck has pointed out, Taker had beaten Shawn Michaels twice. The whole placement of Triple H was the correct selection. As the previous 3 matches all built up to this years "End of an Era". The streak is just placed on a tier above most stars. At this stage the whole streak is above nearly everyone, except Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Rock can be seen there too due to starpower, but with regards who he is and gimmick wise, he just can't fit now.

Kabraxal · 09-19-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Starbuck

We used to have classic matches yearly and then you list 3 from 20 years ago lol. I'm not even talking about classic matches because it's a completely subjective matter. If you don't feel satisfied after paying $60 for the show, assuming that you do and don't stream, then just imagine how, not even disappointed but utterly outraged, the people who paid $2000 to attend would feel if they didn't get at least 1 big match that delivered. Regardless of my own or your personal opinion, for 90% of WWE fans, matches like HBK/Taker, HHH/Taker and Rock/Cena tick the satisfaction box. I don't see how you can claim this years Mania was approached as being just another PPV. HHH/Taker was one of the best built matches we've seen in a long time and was 4 years, you could even argue 20, in the making. Despite it's flaws, Rock/Cena was promoted to death for one full year as well. You can't get a more hyped or promoted top 2 matches than that and for most people, they delivered big time, especially the former.

HBK/Hart, HBK/Razor, Owen/Hart, Austin/Rock... I can name a few more. But it has been a string of fairly forgettable WMs for a quite some time.

Rock/Cena was PROMOTED for a year. But the build was not there for the full year and inconsistency showed through all the way past when Cena forgot the loss was supposed to be devestating. And really, it wasn't built at all til the last month or so when the Rock showed up consistently.

HHH/Taker... the build was simply "I have to beat the streak!". Granted, it was decently built, but again it was only the LAST MONTH that it built. The rest of the "build" was again, something from the past. I am not saying it wasn't good, but when you really compare the build and match to what came before, it pales in comparison to the classic moments. But I think the issue we are really caught up on is that you consider promotion and hype build... I don't. It's promotion and hype. Build isn't hyping up a match or promoting it to all over... build is creating an interal logic to why the match is happening, what it means, and what would logically be the fallout. Rock/Cena never really had that and HHH/Taker had a month full of that to where you felt there was a REAL reason the match was happening.

**YoungGun_UK** · 09-19-2012, 08:43 PM

I disagree with this thread entirely, I can see how this was the case for WrestleMania 27, which was extremely poor of WWE to turn into promotional show when people like Starbuck payed over £2000 off their own money, they deserve the biggest matches possible and I'd say they get this.

Especially now with WWE's new 'Special Attraction' Roster, WrestleMania is nothing like their other 11 PPV's in that it has talent all on the same show which you wouldn't see throughout the year, The Rock, The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar and Triple H, may all appear in WWE sporadically but for them to all Wrestle you know its WrestleMania, which IMO has added to the "grandest stage of them all" feel which the show lacked for the past 3-4 years prior to 28 IMO.

Rock316AE · 09-19-2012, 09:12 PM

No. WrestleMania 28 was PPV of the year with no real competition besides ER. Rock/Cena was an awesome match and the first thing people are going to remember from 2012. Then Taker/HBK/HHH and Lesnar/Cena. WM28 was a show with huge promotion worldwide and when the two matches that you're building the PPV on delivered, it's the only thing that matter. Of course that a nice mid card with great matches would have been good but this is 2012 so I didn't even ask for it today(Orton/Kane was decent BTW).

**Australian** · 09-19-2012, 10:50 PM

have always thought this,for me the biggest and best PPV most years is summerslam and it is also where most fueds and that start be built for the summer

i just find wrestlemania most years pretty underwhelming

Shawn Morrison · 09-20-2012, 10:48 PM

Mania 27 had a terrible/awful card, they pushed all the wrong guys and made all the talented ones play irrelevant roles. WM 28's mid-card and WHC match was terrible, but the three main events totally made it worth it and made me forget about the first half.

Shawn Morrison · 09-20-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NearFall

WrestleMania 28? Nope. Elimination Chamber, Over The Limit, No Way Out were nearly all 1 match shows. With out of those 3 only one really good match, Punk VS Bryan. WrestleMania delivered well. It had 3 big matches. Punk VS Jericho, Taker VS HHH, Rock VS Cena. Rock VS Cena was built up immensely and while the match was slowly paced and lacking, it still had the big stage feel and crowd reactions to help carry it. It was very watchable. Punk VS Jericho, I really hated, I really did, however a large portion of the fan base liked it. It was built mediocre. As for HHH VS Taker. Near-perfection. Absolutely insane matchup. Definitely MOTY for me still. WrestleMania is about big matches, big feuds, we got that.On the undercard we had some new guys. If anything it is after Mania that new talent should be start building up, to be able to be higher on the card the next year(s). You do not throw a half-assedly built talent into a big match against names like Cena/Taker. These matches need well known names, that off big attractions.

For the whole idea of Barrett/Taker, the only time that could ever have been possible is if he was built as a mega-heel as leader of nexus for a full year. Undertaker being the "saviour". However as StarBuck has pointed out, Taker had beaten Shawn Michaels twice. The whole placement of Triple H was the correct selection. As the previous 3 matches all built up to this years "End of an Era". The streak is just placed on a tier above most stars. At this stage the whole streak is above nearly everyone, except Brock Lesnar and John Cena. Rock can be seen there too due to starpower, but with regards who he is and gimmick wise, he just can't fit now.

nor does Brock lesnar fit. I personally think Taker vs Brock in 2013 is just dull/boring, same with Rock. I don't want anyone else for the streak other than John Cena, he's the only one who can top the last few years now.