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Old 09-19-2012, 04:58 PM   #11 (permalink)
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WM28 is the PPV of the horrible year that has been 2012 for me. But yeah, admittedly, WM can under-deliver a lot of the time. There are times where it's arguably the best PPV of all time (WM17) and the best of its year (WM19) but other times, it can be horrible and amongst the worst of the year (WM2000 was shit compared to the rest of the year) and oftentimes, it can be in the middle of the road and a decent PPV just not the very best (WM22, WM21).

Overall, it's still the biggest one because it simply has that "big time" feeling to it. There's no better place for a classic to take place in than at WM.
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Pay per views problems

- Top many pay per views
- The lost of jobber matches , Now all the top wrestlers fight each other on live tv
- Too many rematches , Ultimate Warrior and Rick Rude wrestles each other 3 times on pay per views that it not 20 times like today fueds..
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The problem is they start new feuds heading into Mania instead of just building a feud toward Mania. Imagine that at 27 they would've kept Cena fired and then had him come back and face Barrett at Mania OR Barrett face Taker instead of Trips because... They stared down a few times. Ooooooh.
Just no. HHH/Taker was the only thing that made that Wrestlemania feel like Wrestlemania (along with Rock). It's all well and good to clamor for matches like Taker/Barrett if you're streaming the PPV or even paying $60 for it. But as somebody who spent a considerable amount of money to attend that event, a match like that is just unacceptable, especially considering the alternative. Smarks can bitch and whine about not getting Taker/Barrett and HHH/Seamus or whatever the hell else they want but at the end of the day, people pay A LOT of money to attend Wrestlemania and they pay it for matches like HHH/Taker.
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Old 09-19-2012, 05:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Just no. HHH/Taker was the only thing that made that Wrestlemania feel like Wrestlemania (along with Rock). It's all well and good to clamor for matches like Taker/Barrett if you're streaming the PPV or even paying $60 for it. But as somebody who spent a considerable amount of money to attend that event, a match like that is just unacceptable, especially considering the alternative. Smarks can bitch and whine about not getting Taker/Barrett and HHH/Seamus or whatever the hell else they want but at the end of the day, people pay A LOT of money to attend Wrestlemania and they pay it for matches like HHH/Taker.
But if they actually built the match up between Barret and Taker it could have done very well. I'm sorry, but eventually the fan paying for it is going to have to accept they can't get blasts from the pasts at WM. New stars HAVE to be built or else the WWE will fail in time. There is no getting around that fact. And as good as HHH/Taker is, it is still relying on nostalgia and old star power over building a proper feud. Just like Rock/Cena... they mailed in the feud simply because it was the Rock. They could have actually built a true feud that actually meant something, but what we got was "WE HAVE THE ROCK.. BUY WRESTLEMANIA!!!!".

It's a cheap short term gain that only serves to take the legs out of the long term potential of your product. Dedicating WM to actually building stars instead of cheap celebrity and nostalgia shenanigans would actually be one of the things that would bring back the WM feel. It's the biggest thing missing from WM these days... the feelings of watching someone ascend at the biggest PPV of the year.
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But if they actually built the match up between Barret and Taker it could have done very well. I'm sorry, but eventually the fan paying for it is going to have to accept they can't get blasts from the pasts at WM. New stars HAVE to be built or else the WWE will fail in time. There is no getting around that fact. And as good as HHH/Taker is, it is still relying on nostalgia and old star power over building a proper feud. Just like Rock/Cena... they mailed in the feud simply because it was the Rock. They could have actually built a true feud that actually meant something, but what we got was "WE HAVE THE ROCK.. BUY WRESTLEMANIA!!!!".

It's a cheap short term gain that only serves to take the legs out of the long term potential of your product. Dedicating WM to actually building stars instead of cheap celebrity and nostalgia shenanigans would actually be one of the things that would bring back the WM feel. It's the biggest thing missing from WM these days... the feelings of watching someone ascend at the biggest PPV of the year.
I'm all for that until I'm paying $2000 of my own money to see the show and I imagine a lot of people would be the same. New stars have to be built at Mania but at the same time, you need legitimate attractions in order to make people want to watch. HHH/Batista is a perfect example of using a legitimate attraction to build a legitimate new star and create a legitimate new draw. WWE doesn't know how to do that anymore and if I'm paying money I want to see big time matches. They can save their star making angles for the rest of the year or even keep 1 for Mania itself. Mania 27 was an abomination of a Wrestlemania card and without HHH/Taker on there it would have completely blew chunks. All the what ifs and maybes in the world about Barret and Taker don't change that. Wrestlemania isn't just a wrestling show. As cliche as it sounds, it is an entertainment spectacular. If you have ever attended one you would know that and experience that feeling for yourself. Removing the big attractions, celebrities and nostalgia wouldn't 'bring back' the feel of Mania since they are the very things the show was built around in the first place.
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Last year? Yes, by far. This year, the Royal Rumble was the most underwhelming, lacklustre ppv in years.
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HHH/Taker > RR and No Way Out combined.
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I'm all for that until I'm paying $2000 of my own money to see the show and I imagine a lot of people would be the same. New stars have to be built at Mania but at the same time, you need legitimate attractions in order to make people want to watch. HHH/Batista is a perfect example of using a legitimate attraction to build a legitimate new star and create a legitimate new draw. WWE doesn't know how to do that anymore and if I'm paying money I want to see big time matches. They can save their star making angles for the rest of the year or even keep 1 for Mania itself. Mania 27 was an abomination of a Wrestlemania card and without HHH/Taker on there it would have completely blew chunks. All the what ifs and maybes in the world about Barret and Taker don't change that. Wrestlemania isn't just a wrestling show. As cliche as it sounds, it is an entertainment spectacular. If you have ever attended one you would know that and experience that feeling for yourself. Removing the big attractions, celebrities and nostalgia wouldn't 'bring back' the feel of Mania since they are the very things the show was built around in the first place.
I don't mind the entertainment aspects... but the balance is way off. The very best wrestlemania's had some flashy sidebars that drew attention, but there was a lot of effort put into the IC title, the WWE title, the tag titles, and even grudge matches. But now, it's all about the sizzle and using former stars to make up for the booking being terrible. I actually wouldn't pay 2000 dollars for Cena/Rock and HHH/Taker. I had the chance this past WM, I passed gladly. IT is only working right now because the WWE can bring back a few old stars to hide their ability to book a proper feud. When the Rock is too old, HHH and Taker are retired, and they have no one to go to anymore... then what? They didn't bother to use Wrestlemania to showcase a hot up and comer and say "this is our future!". They just keep bringing back older guys and say "look at our past! Wasn't it spectacular?!". That works for a short term fix... but it's a deathknell in the long term.
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Of course it is but they have showed no signs of changing that so why should I care? Why should I care about the majority of the shit they do if they don't? If I'm going and if I'm paying that much money, I know what I want to see and it sure as hell isn't Barrett/Taker. This year I bought my tickets on the announcement of Rock/Cena alone. When the HIAC was announced, that was me completely happy and sold. I honest to God didn't give a crap what else was on the card so long as I got to see those 2 matches. Last year Rock was announced as the host along with HHH/Taker and I was sold. I didn't really give a fuck about anything else. Mania 26 was probably the best example of an all rounder card. Mania 25 had HHH/Orton and HBK/Taker. My point is, a top to bottom card with IC title and tag titles matches etc is great but people aren't paying the money to see those matches. They are a nice added bonus but the vast majority of people that attend Mania paid their money hoping and expecting to see big time matches and so long as they happen, they won't give a fuck what else is on the card.
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But most of the matches haven't been that good... HHH/Taker was good, but it isn't the classic people make it out to be. Rock/Cena was average. Jericho/Punk was good, but again, not a WM classic as we know them.

In fact, in the past few years, HBK/Taker is the only classic I can even think of. We used to have matches yearly like Savage/Steamboat or Hogan/Savage or Hogan/Warrior or some of the classic tag matches we've seen. But then, much of that has to do not only with the match itself, but the build. Those matches were all special not because they happened at WM, but because they blew off a huge feud AT Wrestlemania. Outside of HBK/Taker, we haven't had that big match WM blowoff. It's jsut "meh, another PPV".
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