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Old 08-30-2012, 05:21 PM   #61 (permalink)
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The closer it gets to the match at Night Of Champions between John Cena and CM Punk the more i'm convinced CM Punk is winning but their feud will carry through until Survivor Series or even TLC with WWE title swaps along the way. The way i see it is CM Punk wins at Night Of Champions with a bit of controversy which leads to another match at Hell In A Cell which John Cena wins. That in turn leads to Cena/Punk in some kind of gimmick match at Survivor Series with CM Punk winning and then their final match at TLC with CM Punk winning again after interference from someone to allow John Cena a feud to carry into 2013.

Because the PPV following TLC is The Royal Rumble it means John Cena doesn't have to have a proper full blown feud but simply have someone he is interacting with on a weekly basis like Bryan Danielson maybe. Going into TLC they could have Bryan Danielson snap because he feels over looked as far as the WWE title goes and could cost John Cena the win therefore meaning heading into The Royal Rumble the top feuds on Raw would be Rock/Punk and Cena/Danielson with The Rock winning the WWE title and John Cena winning The Royal Rumble and thus Cena/Rock 2 is set for WrestleMania 29 but this time for the WWE title.
Plans can change in WWE. If punk beats Cena clean then it makes punk look so much stronger for when he works with The Rock
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If this feud lasts until the end of the year then there's no way we don't see at least 1 title switch because there's simply no way Punk goes over Cena 4 times in a row, clean or otherwise. It just isn't happening.
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If this feud lasts until the end of the year then there's no way we don't see at least 1 title switch because there's simply no way Punk goes over Cena 4 times in a row, clean or otherwise. It just isn't happening.
I really hope Cena does not walk out champion. Punks time is not up yet
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I don't understand why the belt being switched is a bad thing for it. It won't make it bad or meaningless. For example, look at The Rock vs Mankind when they played hot potato with the belt for 4 months (3 titles for Rock & 2 for Mankind) it didn't take away anything from belt. Sure its was during the Attitude Era, but its the same concept.
It's just a "being the number 1 guy thing". When you have two or three guys that are constantly throwing the belt around, there's no definitive number 1 and therefore title wins are cheapened (as they were in that Rock/Mankind feud).

Cena was extremely credible with the WWE Title in 2007, and if Orton had beaten Cena for the title at NM that would've been a huge deal. Much like if Rock were to take the title off Punk it would be a huge deal for that reason. Of course in Rock's case it'd be a huge deal cause it's Rock and it's his first WWE Title win in 10 years and his 10th WWE/World Title championship overall. But still it would look a lot better if Rock ended the year+ long reign of Punk as opposed to a one month reign of Punk if Punk lost the title and gained it back in the feud with Cena.

Going back to the number 1 thing, since it is going to be brought up, the reason the title is still in a rut is because Punk hasn't been "the number 1 guy". He's been playing second fiddle to Cena and therefore a win over Cena at this point means just as much if not more than a win over Punk. Rock already has a win over Cena. But if Punk can get by Cena and get all that momentum as the number 1 guy in the company facing Rock, it would make Rock's win all the bigger and more memorable.

But if Punk loses the title to Cena only to win it back, it cheapens the overall pay-off of Rock becoming champion... though that will still be a big deal regardless of who he wins it from and how long the guy has had the title, but why not make it the biggest deal possible?

And I don't know why people think a title change is bound to happen with Punk/Cena anyway. At NOC they could easily have Punk keep the belt by DQ or something, which would piss a lot of people off and get him a ton of heat in Cena's hometown. HIAC he could get a lucky fall ala HHH/Austin 3SOH. SVS... LMS? TLC is... TLC obviously.
Those write themselves in Punk finding ways to retain his championship. Or if they wanted to end the feud at SVS, have an ironman match which once again, could write itself. Punk comes out of the feud on top, Rock beats him for the title and does what pretty much every main guy on the roster and their mothers tried to do, but couldn't. Then Cena beats Rock at WM to bring the title back, gets his win back, and that writes that.

Personally though, even though I'd like to see Punk go a year as champion, I think it would be overall better if he lost the title to Cena at NOC/HIAC, Cena retains the title through the feud and loses to Rock. CM Punk then beats Rock to get the title back... which would I think be overall a lot bigger than holding onto the title an extra few months.

I just don't want to see the title switch hands more than once in the Punk/Cena feud, for reasons I already stated.
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It's just a "being the number 1 guy thing". When you have two or three guys that are constantly throwing the belt around, there's no definitive number 1 and therefore title wins are cheapened (as they were in that Rock/Mankind feud).

Cena was extremely credible with the WWE Title in 2007, and if Orton had beaten Cena for the title at NM that would've been a huge deal. Much like if Rock were to take the title off Punk it would be a huge deal for that reason. Of course in Rock's case it'd be a huge deal cause it's Rock and it's his first WWE Title win in 10 years and his 10th WWE/World Title championship overall. But still it would look a lot better if Rock ended the year+ long reign of Punk as opposed to a one month reign of Punk if Punk lost the title and gained it back in the feud with Cena.

Going back to the number 1 thing, since it is going to be brought up, the reason the title is still in a rut is because Punk hasn't been "the number 1 guy". He's been playing second fiddle to Cena and therefore a win over Cena at this point means just as much if not more than a win over Punk. Rock already has a win over Cena. But if Punk can get by Cena and get all that momentum as the number 1 guy in the company facing Rock, it would make Rock's win all the bigger and more memorable.

But if Punk loses the title to Cena only to win it back, it cheapens the overall pay-off of Rock becoming champion... though that will still be a big deal regardless of who he wins it from and how long the guy has had the title, but why not make it the biggest deal possible?

And I don't know why people think a title change is bound to happen with Punk/Cena anyway. At NOC they could easily have Punk keep the belt by DQ or something, which would piss a lot of people off and get him a ton of heat in Cena's hometown. HIAC he could get a lucky fall ala HHH/Austin 3SOH. SVS... LMS? TLC is... TLC obviously.
Those write themselves in Punk finding ways to retain his championship. Or if they wanted to end the feud at SVS, have an ironman match which once again, could write itself. Punk comes out of the feud on top, Rock beats him for the title and does what pretty much every main guy on the roster and their mothers tried to do, but couldn't. Then Cena beats Rock at WM to bring the title back, gets his win back, and that writes that.

Personally though, even though I'd like to see Punk go a year as champion, I think it would be overall better if he lost the title to Cena at NOC/HIAC, Cena retains the title through the feud and loses to Rock. CM Punk then beats Rock to get the title back... which would I think be overall a lot bigger than holding onto the title an extra few months.

I just don't want to see the title switch hands more than once in the Punk/Cena feud, for reasons I already stated.
Punk as a champion for one year would be awesome. He would go down in history. Punk has come along way
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I really hope Punk retains the title. he is just starting a really good, slow turn back to a heel....WWE should let this build. It is interesting. if Cena wins, what happens? There is no real build up for Cena as there is with Punk. I'd like to see Jerry Lawler try to save Cena but Dean Ambrose knocks him out...becoming Punks new henchman.
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I really hope Punk retains the title. he is just starting a really good, slow turn back to a heel....WWE should let this build. It is interesting. if Cena wins, what happens? There is no real build up for Cena as there is with Punk. I'd like to see Jerry Lawler try to save Cena but Dean Ambrose knocks him out...becoming Punks new henchman.
Jerry needs to stay away from this match but get a feeling he may play some role if you ask me
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I think Punk will win via DQ or interference.
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Cena to win by DQ as punk DQs himself on purpose and goes apeshit on him post match turning full heel (but will still get cheered)
That's my thought as well. Honestly, I hope Cena wins the belt.
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Because the PPV following TLC is The Royal Rumble it means John Cena doesn't have to have a proper full blown feud but simply have someone he is interacting with on a weekly basis like Bryan Danielson maybe. Going into TLC they could have Bryan Danielson snap because he feels over looked as far as the WWE title goes and could cost John Cena the win therefore meaning heading into The Royal Rumble the top feuds on Raw would be Rock/Punk and Cena/Danielson with The Rock winning the WWE title and John Cena winning The Royal Rumble and thus Cena/Rock 2 is set for WrestleMania 29 but this time for the WWE title.
John Cena will be in the Rumble match as one of the 30/40 contestants. If he is facing the Rock, he will be the winner of Rumble 2013. He probably wont win if he's going to challenge the streak.
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