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Red rep me with your ridiculous Rock GOAT,Hogan Second crap.You are the worst guy on this forum.


The way you write your posts is great but the content is bullshit

Lol @ Rock/Foley vs Evolution being the main-event.You are the most delusional guy in this entire forum.

Lol @ Fast 6 crossing 1 billion due to Rock.The Rock's biggest movie outside of franchise/Multi-starrers is Game Plan and it crossed 150 million

Hercules as big as Batman?Dude Get a life.
HERCULES AS BIG AS BATMAN?! He said that?! What a tool



Current favourites: CM Punk, The Shield, Dolph Ziggler, Daniel Bryan, Bray Wyatt.
All time favourites: The Undertaker, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, CM Punk, Scott Hall.


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Lol @ Rock/Foley vs Evolution being the main-event.
WWE counted on this match as the main attraction of their PPV by giving it a 4 months build, the most commercials, the most promotion and the main event position in every show Rock was there including the go-home segment for WM20. That's not me saying it, just stating it. It was the same that year on SD when usually Goldberg/Lesnar got the most promotion over the title match. And the same at WM19 when Hogan/Vince was positioned as the number one attraction throughout the entire RTWM in 2003 including Vince closing RAW after Rock Concert in Sacramento with a special overrun to give his match with Hogan the final sell. The "Main Event" of a show is not always the main attraction on the PPV, WM18 and WM23 are a good examples.

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Lol @ Fast 6 crossing 1 billion due to Rock.The Rock's biggest movie outside of franchise/Multi-starrers is Game Plan and it crossed 150 million
Show me where I said "due to Rock" in my post. I talked on the Fast and Furious franchise in general and the possibility of Fast 6 breaking more records after Fast 5. If you want to be specific, Fast 5 was promoted entirely on the Rock/Diesel fight, they did all the media. Fast 5, Rock's first in the franchise, grossed almost what the entire series did before him. Not crediting Rock solely obviously but he was the main factor in taking the franchise to the next level which he did. Rock earned the nickname "The Franchise Viagra" in Hollywood because of the ability to take a series to the next level. The fact that franchises were his biggest box office successes doesn't mean anything if he almost doubles revenue and does blockbuster business.

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Again, show me the part in my post where I said it. I said that Hercules can be a similar franchise because of the similarity in the superhero characters. Which is why I added "has potential" based on the success of the others.
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-The Evolution vs Rock/Foley wasn't no main-event.WM 23 and 18 were the exceptions.The mainevent of WM 20 was the triple threat.

-Rock isn't a A-List Star.

You have no idea what a 'A' list star means.

Since 1986,Tom Cruise has not had a commercial flop except for Lion for Lambs,Magnolia and Rock of Ages.All three didn't have Cruise as the sole leading man.

This is what a A-List Star means.

Daniel Radcliffe can have higher grosses than Tom Hanks/Tom Cruise.That means nothing.

The Rock's three biggest movies are Game Plan,Tooth Fairy and Race to Witch Mountain.Hardly A-List.

Over time,he MAY become a Hollywood Superstar status but as of now,NO


-Hercules will never be a successful franchise like Batman.
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-The Evolution vs Rock/Foley wasn't no main-event.WM 23 and 18 were the exceptions.
I already explained here why it was the main attraction on the PPV:
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That's true. The most promoted match for WM20 was Rock/Sock/Evolution with Lesnar/Goldberg second. The Rock/Foley/Evolution story started in December 2003(You can even say July 2003 when Evolution attacked Foley in a backstage segment), Foley was the GM, Orton was just getting over as a heel. The first hint was Rock coming back to save Foley with the first Rock and Sock on screen interaction since 2000-2001 IIRC. Orton started to do the Legend Killer gimmick, spitting in the face of legends and all that. Challenged Foley to a match but Foley didn't show up in fear that he lost it, then quit his job as the GM. All that in December 2003.

Foley was then confirmed for the Rumble with JR hyping his appearance throughout the show, he eliminated Orton and they brawled. From there Evolution were on Foley every week with beatdowns until Rock came back to make the save and accepted the match. They did some more angles, along with video packages for the Rock/Sock reunion etc. It was Rock's first match in a year and Foley's first since WM16. All of it was in the main event of the shows BTW, the moment Rock came back, the world title match was treated as a secondary and sometimes third attraction on the show if the Vince/Bischoff/Heyman/Lesnar/Goldberg/Austin storyline had a strong segment that night. The WM20 match was only the second tag match to be a main selling point attraction for a WM in history along with WM1. The entire story of Rock/Foley/Evolution was the best program of 2004 IMO because in the end they sold a successful WM, put on great matches and made a legit star with Orton. Love the 2-3 match at WM20, the Rock/Flair interaction was a masterpiece, still say that it should have been Rock/Flair and Foley/Orton in separate matches.
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WWE counted on this match as the main attraction of their PPV by giving it a 4 months build, the most commercials, the most promotion and the main event position in every show Rock was there including the go-home segment for WM20. That's not me saying it, just stating it. It was the same that year on SD when usually Goldberg/Lesnar got the most promotion over the title match. And the same at WM19 when Hogan/Vince was positioned as the number one attraction throughout the entire RTWM in 2003 including Vince closing RAW after Rock Concert in Sacramento with a special overrun to give his match with Hogan the final sell. The "Main Event" of a show is not always the main attraction on the PPV, WM18 and WM23 are a good examples.
And WM18/23 are just two examples, you had countless of shows in history where the last match on the card is not the main selling point. WM24 with Floyd/Show is another one. The main event is always what you're positioning before the event as your main attraction to offer potential buyers. You do the most commercials and promotion to the thing that you think will attract the most customers. What you put on the actual card of the show is irrelevant as every viewer already paid for it. The 3 way was always going to close the show because it was amazing moment with Benoit and Eddie and a first time ever title win.
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-Rock isn't a A-List Star. Over time,he MAY become a Hollywood Superstar status but as of now,NO
You're not a Top 4 highest paid actor in the entire movie industry if you're not an A-list star. The over time was in 2010, in the last two years Rock is a legit A-list actor working on high profile franchises and doing blockbuster business. Great Forbes article:
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Johnson debuts on our Celebrity 100 this year.

Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson’s formula for box office success is twofold: “I can kick ass better than anyone on the planet,” he says. “And I have a decent smile.”

He flashes his teeth winningly to try to underscore his point. But the numbers are more impressive: This 6-foot-5 wrestler’s 15 movies have grossed more than $2.3 billion at the global box office. Then there’s how he’s done it. Rather than launch franchises, Johnson saves them. Last year he climbed onboard the tired Fast and Furious series and turned Fast Five into the franchise’s highest-grossing film ($626 million). Then he took over Journey to the Center of the Earth from Brendan Fraser, and Journey 2 brought in $81 million more than its predecessor. Next up: the second installment of G.I. Joe.

Producers have taken note: We estimate The Rock earned $36 million in the last 12 months, and his first spot on The FORBES Celebrity 100 seems to be a floor, not a ceiling.

“The second you see Dwayne on screen,” says Paramount Film Group President Adam Goodman, “it’s like everything you ever imagined in an action hero and then some.”



A college football star, Johnson broke into entertainment as a pro wrestler in 1996, following in the footsteps of his father and .grandfather (his wrestling moniker, Rocky Maivia, combined their names). While his dad was upset—he had spent years getting pounded in high school gyms nationwide and struggled to support young Dwayne and the family—Johnson recognized that pro wrestling in the 1990s offered more upside than it did for generations past.

Still, cast in the role of a good guy, fans quickly tired of his nonstop smiling attitude and began to chant, “Rocky sucks!” Faced with the prospect of failing, Johnson implored World Wrestling Entertainment head Vince McMahon to give him 30 seconds on live TV to respond to the fans.

Throwing off the sunny, third-generation Rocky character dreamed up by the WWE, he became The Rock, and he antagonized the crowd right back. They ate it up. Now a funny bad guy with a penchant for catchphrases, a star was born. When fans would try to join in on a chorus of “Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?” He would cut them off and yell, “This ain’t sing-a-long with The Rock!” And they loved him for it.

Hollywood came calling in 2001. Johnson took a small part in The Mummy Returns and was immediately bitten by the acting bug. The next year he starred in a Mummy spinoff, The Scorpion King, which earned $165 million worldwide. Johnson continued to wrestle, playing up his new movie fame by pretending to be too big for the WWE and singing songs mocking whatever city he was performing in. And eventually he did get too big: By 2006 he had basically retired from the ring.

Around that time Johnson’s movie career took a strange turn. The Rock found himself at the center of family films like Gridiron Gang, The Game Plan and Race to Witch Mountain.

“When he was wrestling, he was at 270 pounds and the ruler of the world,” says Dany Garcia, his manager and ex-wife. “When he went into movies he dropped to 230 pounds and they told him to stop talking about wrestling.”

To Johnson and Garcia, who’s been an integral part of Johnson’s .career since they met as teens, it felt very much like the early days with the WWE when Johnson was encouraged to play a character that didn’t quite fit. “It reached a point where I felt that .instead of me trying to conform to Hollywood, I needed to have .Hollywood conform to me and .embrace my past,” says Johnson.

So last year Johnson took matters into his own hands. He ditched his agents at CAA in favor of Ari Emanuel’s WME, decided to focus mostly on action movies—and decided to start wrestling again. “People love him as a wrestler,” says WME’s Brad Slater, “and because he left seven years ago, there’s a whole generation of young fans who never saw him.” In April The Rock fought John Cena in a Wrestlemania battle, the most-watched in the history of the 27-year event, which raked in $67 million, thanks to 1.3 million pay-per-view downloads in 105 countries.

Such wrestling cred only burnishes his action hero status, allowing him to become, as Goodman of Paramount says, “toyetic.” And there are many more .merchandise-friendly roles lined up in his immediate future. After G.I. Joe there’s Snitch, about a father who goes undercover to try to free his imprisoned son. Then Michael Bay’s Pain & Gain, where Johnson costars with Mark Wahlberg as a couple of former bodybuilders who kidnap a rich man and try to steal his life. After that he’ll hit Fast and Furious 6, and he’s just attached himself to Lore, based on a graphic novel about a man fighting legendary beasts.

The studios are falling over one another not just because of his .newfound box office power but also because of his unwavering .enthusiasm when it comes to .promoting his films. Most stars negotiate how few days they’ll have to be on the road promoting their films. Johnson is happy to talk about how he can help .promote the film from day one.

“That’s the wonderful part about being in this business,” says Johnson. “I love knowing the audience and listening to the audience.” Oh, and kicking a little ass, too.

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-The Rock can draw as a wrestler.

The Rock can't draw movies on his own.

-Rock's movies have crossed 2.5 billion at BO.

Daniel Radcliffe's movies have crossed 8 billion.

Kristen Stewart movies have crossed 5 billion.

So they are bigger than guys like Cruise and Smith?


-You can type huge articles but the triple threat was bigger than the handicap match.Damn,even Lesnar vs Goldberg was bigger than the handicap match.
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http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/...s_O_Brian.html

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- There was a backstage feeling at RAW last night that The Rock did not get the job done during his final promo going into the Elimination Chamber pay-per-view. The pay-per-view is expected to do good business just because it's the Rock vs. CM Punk rematch.

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didn't watch it but anyone who did think it was that bad like some backstage think?

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Is this the thread to laugh at Rocky's ridiculous promo?

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-The Rock can draw as a wrestler.

The Rock can't draw movies on his own.

-Rock's movies have crossed 2.5 billion at BO.

Daniel Radcliffe's movies have crossed 8 billion.

Kristen Stewart movies have crossed 5 billion.

So they are bigger than guys like Cruise and Smith?


-You can type huge articles but the triple threat was bigger than the handicap match.Damn,even Lesnar vs Goldberg was bigger than the handicap match.
LOL

I think you should read carefully to what Rock316AE is saying.

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oh god no.....that second paragraph...
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