[greendayedgehead]

Oh, do excuse me, I seemed to have overlooked that.

"Wow that Punk sure is great doing so much ground work for his feud against Rock that's really commendable" etc,

[cablegeddon]

Originally Posted by DwayneAustin

The Rock had the same amount of time and the best he came up with was Cookiepuss and Twinkie Tits

I'm not saying Rock has been great but look at the ratings for one and Cookiepuss is probably Raw's biggest viral moment in years.

[doinktheclowns]

CM Punk job for the last 6 months has been to get under as many peoples skins as possible and slowly turn heel. It was a near impossible and difficult thing to do because he was so popular. And he has done it so well that he is arguably one of the best heels of all time. If they turn him face again them fans will be cheering him again a week later.

Originally Posted by cablegeddon

The point is that Punk didn't lay no groundwork. He hurt the product for 15 months. First by being a crappy face "best in the world", then being a crappy heel "I demand respect". In this grand ground work Punk also killed WWE's hottest break out star in years.

Can you not read or do your rose tinted glasses block out the truth.

1. He hurt the product. OK, thats your opinion your entitled to it and whether your categorically wrong is irrelevant because its your opinion.

He is possibly one of the main things keeping WWEs heads above water for the last 15 months.

2. Vince decides who Ryback faces and loses to not Punk.
Rybacks first major feud was against CM Punk, at the time 300+ Champion, Longest Champion in 25 year. In the main event. CM Punk who has beaten Mark Henry, John Cena, Del Rio, The Miz, Chris Jericho, Big Show, Daniel Bryan to get to this point.

The fact that Rybacks first major feud was in all of these circumstances is a major achievement and massive rub.

Im not comparing CM Punk to HHH or The Undertaker but CM Punk lost to them both but it didnt damage him it benefited and made him look strong that he could hang with these guys.


Wrestling is scripted look at Tensai and Khali and how big they are. If Vince decides he doesn't like Ryback he could easily be booked the same way as them.

[DwayneAustin]

Originally Posted by cablegeddon

I'm not saying Rock has been great but look at the ratings for one and Cookiepuss is probably Raw's biggest viral moment in years.

You simply cannot put the blame on one man for the poor ratings of a 3 hour show when he is usually onscreen for no more than 30mins an episode, it is illogical thinking, especially when you consider that the rest of the show is filled with childish nonsense.

The Rock could have made up a word on the spot and it would have been chanted because he is The Rock, Cookiepuss was a lazy effort and is just Fruity Pebbles all over again.

Edit: if you meant look at the ratings after The Rock returned, of course he was gonna raise them, but he hasn't raised them by much.

[Choke2Death]

Punk hasn't contributed a lick. All of it is down to The Rock's name and massive star power. He could have anybody who has been built to be somewhat credible as opponent and the buyrates would be the same. And when I talk about credibility, I mean that obviously Rock vs Punk will sell more than Rock vs Ryder but that's all to do with the fact one has actually been booked to get people caring whereas the other is a jobbing geek.

[Clique]

The heel usually does lay a substantial amount of ground work to a story. Think about Batman/Joker. It's the villain that is the antagonist, the driving force, and the babyface or hero is in the position to either succeed or fail at taking him down.

[doinktheclowns]

Originally Posted by Choke2Death

Punk hasn't contributed a lick. All of it is down to The Rock's name and massive star power. He could have anybody who has been built to be somewhat credible as opponent and the buyrates would be the same. And when I talk about credibility, I mean that obviously Rock vs Punk will sell more than Rock vs Ryder but that's all to do with the fact one has actually been booked to get people caring whereas the other is a jobbing geek.

So the fact The Rock is facing CM Punk plays no contributing factor?

If that what your saying then let someone change your password for so you cant log on again and talk stupidity.

[4everEyebrowRaisin]

Originally Posted by cablegeddon

How did Punk do that? By killing the ratings for Raw? Ending Ryback's momentum? Masterminding the most lackluster heel turn in the history of Raw?

One guy killing the ratings on a three hour show? Explain how this is possible. It can't be the terrible writing can it? No. WWE's perfect right now!

Punk and Rock deliver everytime. In my opinion, neither have missed a step. It's a wrestling feud, not "OMG YOUR NEVAR HEAR!!!111 LOL NOTES ON UR RIST XD!11111!!" like it was with Cena.

[Old Boy]

What do you say about having CM Punk retain his title with the help of Brad Maddox/The Shield or some way of DQ...Go into the Elimination Chamber and win again with a surprise interference from Brock Lesnar(due to Paul E)...
And then at Wrestlemania,Punk's "punishment" for all that would be a triple threat match against John Cena and the Rock.

Also,this match could be elimination style,so CM Punk could be eliminated first and finally the crowd would have the "dream match" for a new Champion.That way you got them all happy.CM Punk marks with a 500+ days reign for their favorite superstar,and the Cena/Rock marks with the dream match at Mania.

[cablegeddon]

Originally Posted by Clique

The heel usually does lay a substantial amount of ground work to a story. Think about Batman/Joker. It's the villain that is the antagonist, the driving force, and the babyface or hero is in the position to either succeed or fail at taking him down.

god damn right it should be. When Rock arrived at Raw there was nothing there. It was a blank page. CM Punk didn't have a gimmick or great heat. Rock had to bust his ass get some kind of rivalry going with this guy who has no concept of how to sell a ppv.

Originally Posted by doinktheclowns

CM Punk job for the last 6 months has been to get under as many peoples skins as possible and slowly turn heel. It was a near impossible and difficult thing to do because he was so popular. And he has done it so well that he is arguably one of the best heels of all time. If they turn him face again them fans will be cheering him again a week later.



Can you not read or do your rose tinted glasses block out the truth.

1. He hurt the product. OK, thats your opinion your entitled to it and whether your categorically wrong is irrelevant because its your opinion.

He is possibly one of the main things keeping WWEs heads above water for the last 15 months.

2. Vince decides who Ryback faces and loses to not Punk.
Rybacks first major feud was against CM Punk, at the time 300+ Champion, Longest Champion in 25 year. In the main event. CM Punk who has beaten Mark Henry, John Cena, Del Rio, The Miz, Chris Jericho, Big Show, Daniel Bryan to get to this point.

The fact that Rybacks first major feud was in all of these circumstances is a major achievement and massive rub.

Im not comparing CM Punk to HHH or The Undertaker but CM Punk lost to them both but it didnt damage him it benefited and made him look strong that he could hang with these guys.


Wrestling is scripted look at Tensai and Khali and how big they are. If Vince decides he doesn't like Ryback he could easily be booked the same way as them.

we don't know if Punk refused to drop the title. It looks he was granted each and every one of his wishes. New entrance music check, 6 months angle with his best friend check, brought in his idol in wrestling as his manager check, main event against Rock check, match against Undertaker at Mania possibly check