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Old 09-09-2012, 06:44 AM   #631 (permalink)
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:47 AM   #632 (permalink)
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Who can share Cena vs Rock DVD on youtube
want to see it damn
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:01 AM   #633 (permalink)
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Tri.Moon is awesome, doing a great job for a long time now.



Besides his Rock vids, he also has the rare packs like Superstars 98-99 and the off-air segments after the show or between commercials.

It's just me or WWE are taking down many YouTube channels now, just saw that they took down one of the best highlights channels for no reason. It was all 98-04 content anyway.

Some of Cena's part in the Rock/Cena DVD. HHH on that people always saying that Cena would have been a mid carder in the Attitude Era, truth. And HHH looks like he's in agreement. Also Cena saying that the golden boys before him were Brock Lesnar, Batista and Orton:
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:09 AM   #634 (permalink)
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Tri.Moon is awesome, doing a great job for a long time now.



Besides his Rock vids, he also has the rare packs like Superstars 98-99 and the off-air segments after the show or between commercials.

It's just me or WWE are taking down many YouTube channels now, just saw that they took down one of the best highlights channels for no reason. It was all 98-04 content anyway.

Some of Cena's part in the Rock/Cena DVD. HHH on that people always saying that Cena would have been a mid carder in the Attitude Era, truth. And HHH looks like he's in agreement. Also Cena saying that the golden boys before him were Brock Lesnar, Batista and Orton:
I don't buy that for a second. His look, the spinner belt, and his act translates to straight cash in any era.

He'd start as a mid carder but he'd get over in a heart beat.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:12 AM   #635 (permalink)
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I think Cena would have been an awesome character in the AE. He'd get over as a rapping heel but I don't know if that translates into the ME.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:29 AM   #636 (permalink)
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Oh boy. This is not a good sign. Below are two excerpts from the Rock VS John Cena DVD, where it appears CM Punk calls out the Rock in much the same way Cena did. Obviously this is working up for their feud. But it spells the same stuff we got with Cena/Rock last year. This is not what I want from this feud at all
Its pretty lame that they are putting this in the dvd. And as I have said time and time again, building this feud this way is so boring. I had to hear Cena for a year, now they are rehashing this again.

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John Cena would have been a mid-carder in the Attitude Era which is 100% truth. He's just too clean cut for the 90s and the only thing he'll have going for him is the rapping character which was just a basic mid-card act for the extremely high standards that was set back then.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:38 AM   #638 (permalink)
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Cena would have probably gotten over as an upper-midcard heel in the Attitude Era. The reason he was watered down after his face turn was because WWE got complaints regarding the things he said and in 2004, he was no longer allowed to cut his 'off the dome' raps anymore which further led to him becoming more kid-friendly and shit. In the Attitude Era, such a problem would not have been present at all. I think he could have gotten the occasional title shots, though, and once the Rock's and Austin's would be retired, he would continue where they left off in the main event with a more serious character. Kinda like how it actually took place, only difference being he would be considered an AE guy and his stupid ass haters would not get at him as the "PG guy" he's known as today despite being the oldest member of the roster (not necessarily by age) along with Orton if you exclude the AE left-overs (Kane, Christian).
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I think Cena would have been an awesome character in the AE. He'd get over as a rapping heel but I don't know if that translates into the ME.
Really it just depends on how they'd use him. If they put him in pink underwear and had him valet for PMS obviously he's toast. It is possible WWE could screw him up from the start. But if they gave him a chance he'd be over with women from the start just like he was in 03. Vince would not ignore that. At the very worse he's going to get Edge type booking.

From there if he does get the rapper gimmick and busts out the tricked out mid card title belt that's another thing that gonna set him apart and give him some uniqueness.

I see no reason why he couldn't rise to the top during the Attitude era. The only question is where does he fit in and when does he get the opportunity to be a prime player in the mid card scene which was pretty weak for a good portion of the Attitude era.
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The problem is you can't take a set of circumstances and neatly, completely transplant them to a different period of time.

John Cena's rapper character was able to take off in large part because pop culture had changed significantly from the late '90s to the early '00s. It's no coincidence that the character was formally born in the days leading up to the release of the Eminem-starring 8 Mile. Popular culture had shifted from the mid-to-late-'90s. The conditions for the rise of a marketable man with that gimmick and character were right.

But that doesn't mean Cena could not have risen to the top in the very heart of the Attitude Era. You can't prove a negative, especially when you're talking about someone who--as a midcarder, mind you--was responsible for practically 25% of WWE's merchandise revenue in the year of 2004.

The argument that Cena would be some midcarder in the Attitude Era is a questionable straw man at best. If WWE treated him and contained him within the midcard, well, of course. But if they had given him any shot at all the way they did in 2002-2004, I don't doubt that he would have found the right thing at the right time like he did (and thanks in large part to Stephanie overhearing his rapping, ha).

The problem is you can't take the conditions of say, 1998, and apply them seamlessly to 2002 or vice-versa. It was a different time. Vince knew Austin was not long for the business, and while he didn't fully know how soon Rock would be leaving for good for Hollywood, exactly, he still knew that his role in the company was changing and they were in need of new stars before too long.

Nevertheless, talent that cannot be ignored cannot be ignored. If Kurt Angle could penetrate the main event level against Rock and Austin, I see no reason to believe that John Cena simply could not. Cena didn't have the background or talent skillset Angle brought to the table but all other things being equal, Cena's impact on the industry outshines Angle's. Angle, however, was highly blessed by working top tier main event programs with some of the biggest names in the modern history of wrestling. So, again, you have to take all of these nuances into consideration if you want to attempt to find out how and where Cena would have fit in during the Attitude Era.
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