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Old 01-10-2013, 08:14 AM   #6071 (permalink)
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Both sides of the "Mark Wars" here should be ashamed of themselves for the stupid shit I'm reading as regarding to the promo on Monday. Seriously, log off.

I will say this. CM Punk vs. The Rock has to be the WWE Championship match at Wrestlemania 29 and it has to be the main event. No John Cena. No Brock Lesnar. No Triple H. No Undertaker. Nobody involved but these two. This is already better than Rock/Cena in the promo department and we have THREE. WEEKS. LEFT. Holy fuckery.

Nobody wants Rock/Cena II and who the fuck wants it after....THAT on Monday?
& (I won't mind it only if the WWE Championship is involved)
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:17 AM   #6072 (permalink)
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Apart from avoiding predictability I'd say that one point to it is that it will make Rock give Punk a bigger rub in a story that still has Rock as the final winner. The Rock is in no danger of losing his popularity and I'd say that it's probably more necessary overall to have him help the #1 heel than it is to give a rub to Cena.

I'm not expecting it to happen though, but I do think it would be the better choice. Another factor of what would be best is of course also how much The Rock can be on Raw from now to WM. It's hard to take into account though since we have no idea.
It's only predictable of you have been on the web for about 24 hours, in each 7 days, in each 4 weeks of last 6 months of your life.

Rock needs to establish his credibility back after being away again for so long and one great way to do it is to win the title in his first match back.

Punk has nothing to lose since he gained nothing anyway in the past 14 months that they have pushed him to the galaxies other threatening Big Sexy's record of being the greatest box office king in the companies' history.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:18 AM   #6073 (permalink)
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Cena is a douche, I'm starting to realize. I'll defend Cena more than most people on here but after having a crappy 2012 and horrible performance (sans match on RAW Monday), I have no desire to see him rematch with the Rock at Mania again. Although I feel he should have won it still, it was billed as "Once in a Lifetime". Rock won, Cena lost. It's over. Move on.

What, is it going to be "Twice in a Lifetime" now for the title while Punk does a meaningless match with Taker at Mania? Let me barf.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:23 AM   #6074 (permalink)
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Like I said unpredictability doesn't equate to good, that's a fallacy I see people use a lot on here.

Something I think could work and would be good would to be to have Rock win at the Rumble, retain it at the Chamber and go into Mania as champ. At the same time you keep Punk looking strong and have him become more of a tweener in the weeks during the RTWM, perhaps by having him split from Heyman (so he can become Brock's mouthpiece which Brock desperately needs). Then you do Rock (c) vs. Punk at Mania one on one with Punk winning clean, they shake hands after the match and that's the end of their story. Punk becomes champion (and a babyface) again and gets a huge win and moment at Mania.

Ideally Cena would turn heel at the same time so WWE have a top heel but that obviously would never happen
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:32 AM   #6075 (permalink)
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Yeah just because it's unpredictable doesn't mean it's good, either for the story or for business (:hhh)

And like I said if Punk is to win at the Rumble that's fine, but to then have him lose it at the Chamber would be a bad decision. Giving Rock the title for a few weeks just to put over Cena would be stupid, it would massively devalue whatever Punk does at Mania too.

Chamber isn't going to do nearly as well as the Rumble either in terms of buys so I find it hard to believe they'd put the title on Rock for the first time in 11 years when there is like 200,000 people watching compared to half a million at the Rumble.
I never said it wasn't good (and it is), I just think that the other option is better. And I don't think about the business aspect as I don't benefit from that (although I take it into account when I judge what's likely to happen), I just look at what I think about the story.

I can certainly see your point when it comes to the setup for Rock vs Cena. I guess I think a bit less about that part because I think Rock vs Punk looks to be a so much better feud, but WM is of course what's supposed to be the biggest thing. I still think it works, but it's a good point. If Punk is to face The Undertaker I think that the title is pretty irrelevant anyway.

Your second point is also valid, but you can also see it as what better way to build your top heel by having him defeat The Rock when everyone is watching. That's after all the long term option in all of this.

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It's only predictable of you have been on the web for about 24 hours, in each 7 days, in each 4 weeks of last 6 months of your life.

Rock needs to establish his credibility back after being away again for so long and one great way to do it is to win the title in his first match back.

Punk has nothing to lose since he gained nothing anyway in the past 14 months that they have pushed him to the galaxies other threatening Big Sexy's record of being the greatest box office king in the companies' history.
I don't think it has anything to do with reading things on the Internet. Quite the contrary in this case actually. When The Rock said he would face the champ at RR my immediate thought was "OK, they are making The Rock champ at RR". If it wasn't for some things I've read on the Internet I wouldn't think there's any chance of Rock losing at RR. Now I at least think there's a few percentage chance of him not winning right away. Still not much, but it's there.

And I don't think The Rock has any lack in credibility. He beat Cena at WM and remains the most popular guy they can realistically have on Raw.

I agree that Punk doesn't have anything to lose, but he could have a lot more to win by actually doing the unexpected and beat Rock the first time they fight. That would give him a whole new level of credibility as top heel, which would then make him able to give a bigger rub to whatever face he's going to put over in the future. As said, I don't think it will happen and I don't have any problems with The Rock winning either (I'm a Rock fan as pretty much everyone else), I just thought it would be a good and unexpected variant.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:35 AM   #6076 (permalink)
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This Wrestlemania season is going to be about John Cena's redemption story after the worse year of his career by beating the person who gave him is biggest defeat and becoming the WWE champ for the 1st time in over a year.

The boyhood dream coming true for John Cena.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:42 AM   #6077 (permalink)
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I'm not saying I want that stuff to happen because it's good business, but as you mention if we are talking about what we think will happen then it makes perfect sense to think about it like that because what's good business will determine what they do. I'm merely speculating what I think will happen (except in my second post where I outline an idea I think would be cool but ultimately I know won't happen). I would never say as a fan that I want something to happen just because it makes some shareholders more money.

Edit: (OK maybe I would and probably have but obviously as a joke)
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:52 AM   #6078 (permalink)
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This Wrestlemania season is going to be about John Cena's redemption story after the worse year of his career by beating the person who gave him is biggest defeat and becoming the WWE champ for the 1st time in over a year.

The boyhood dream coming true for John Cena.
And Vince and the WWE are that stupid, naive, and out of touch to do it...
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I would be shocked if rock won at the rumble just for the simple fact that hes limited in dates he can show up. How can you have a champion that shows up every couple weeks? If he won i wouldent be disapointed cause im a big fan of his but just dont see it happening
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Anybody think Punk is gonna hit the rock bottom on Rock? And Rock to hit the GTS on Punk?
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