[TheF1BOB]

Originally Posted by Ziggler Mark

If ziggler was the top man in the company for the last 400+ days, what would make this "out of line"? It's a perfectly fine metaphor.

Perfectly fine metaphor or not, say Cena or Rock were champion for 400+ days and made that remark, everybody in this place would have hated it.

Good mataphor no doubt, but I just don't see the big deal of it.

EDIT: Using Ziggler was a terrible idea. My bad.

[Cookie Monster]

Originally Posted by God Movement

I think more freedom is only one part of the story, I think it's more to do with job security when you reach a certain level. Punk can get away with saying whatever the fuck he wants because he's a talent they simply CANNOT afford to de-push, not just because he's being paid a shitload, but because he's so much better than everyone else, he cut a money promo and the fans latched onto him, they simply could not turn back after that.

To get more freedom you're going to have to prove your worth with what they give you, people like Sheamus haven't done that yet, he seems pretty awkward and uncomfortable at times with PRE-WRITTEN material, so just imagine how things would turn out when you put him in he ring with off the cuff specialists? If they gave everyone freedom it'd truly end up being a battle of the survival of the fittest and yes, we would end up with the true main event talents at the end of it all but that's not what the WWE wants apparently. Sheamus can stick in the main event because he's favored, even though he's absolute pants. Sandow will probably never get to where Sheamus is because he isn't AS favored even though by most people's estimation he's one of the top mic workers right now. I'm not sure if Ziggler's been given more freedom in all honesty, can't remember any material he's used that doesn't feel like straight pre-written stuff, but even he tends to sound weak when it comes to rebuttals in face to face promos with people like Cena.

I do agree with you. I also think it's quite a sad state of affairs when you risk being de-pushed or taken off TV though if you speak out of script etc. especially if it garners a reaction from the crowd etc. If anything, Vince and others in the back should be looking to help the superstars with cutting promos or how to come across more natural and serious etc. I mean it is the business they love after all.

I do think losing the competition like ECW and WCW has hurt the WWE in that respect though. I mean the superstars they had in the late 90s during the Attitude Era had plied their trade in ECW or WCW, the likes of Chris Jericho, Stone Cold, Mick Foley etc. and all learnt things on the way whether it is on the microphone or there styles in the ring.

[TheF1BOB]

Come on guys... lets not start with the "Punk would of made it in the Attitude Era" bullshit again.

[dualtamac]

Originally Posted by TheF1BOB

Come on guys... lets not start with the "Punk would of made it in the Attitude Era" bullshit again.

It's the truth but that isn't the discussion.

[Sephiroth]

Punk would have been part of the Smackdown Six Seven

[Eddie Ray]

The Rock did say that Punk is one of the most creative minds in the industry last night...that comment has been severely overlooked.

[mrmacman]

^ Rock always say these type of things to make his opponent look worth a damn.

Nothing new.

[Rock316AE]

Like I said about Punk's lines, best ever/boxing god or whatever sounds more like the type of overhyped slogans a heel character like Miz would say in the same tone of the "must see superstar of all time", completely unrealistic and not the way they want to present a serious Punk to the audience. Rock sold him perfectly but it's just too much to take seriously when he stands there in the ring with Rock who is twice his size. There's a place for everything, that wasn't the place or the situation to say it. But I took it as another part of Punk's delusional heel claims. It was definitely not even close to a best part of the promo or something. That was either Rock at the start with the "failed attempt to bring change" promo, or the awesome intense ending with the Rock Bottom.

Originally Posted by zxLegionxz

So Smackdown is in Miami cool if i were booking,I would open the show with Rock coming to say hi to his family talk about the belt a bit and The Rock bottom to Cm punk at this point Punks music hits but Heyman comes out demanding an apologize from Rock for attacking Punk,they do what they do best and that is work the crowd until Rock gives him the peoples elbow,after that in the rest of the show we can have a couple of interactions with Rock and big show hell maybe a couple of segments like the one we had for the rumble in 2002 when it was him and Jericho remember the HHH,Taker,Austin segments telling him to watch out,plant a few seeds with Orton or Ryback who cares just make him a part of the show not just the beginning or the end,i hope im not getting my hopes to high

That's a great idea. They can do some Royal Rumble teasers with Orton and Sheamus like Rock did with Austin/Angle/Taker/HHH in 2002. Gives you more options for fresh segments. Rock/Heyman should happen on RAW next week IMO, but I would be fine with it on SD in Miami.

Awesome promo of Rock returning to his show:



BTW, forgot to mention it but RAW was sold out last night for the first time in months. And they also suddenly started to do some fan fest for the Rumble PPV in hope to take advantage of the magnitude of the event this year with Rock wrestling for the belt.

[Eddie Ray]

Originally Posted by mrmacman

^ Rock always say these type of things to make his opponent look worth a damn.

Nothing new.

I don't think it should just be brushed off like that. Punk is one of the only genuinely creative guys on the current roster and even as a whole he will go down favorably in history.

[mrmacman]

With crowd like you ,he sure will.