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Old 01-08-2013, 09:59 AM   #5571 (permalink)
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The thing is, the promo between Rock and Punk last night completely opened my eyes.

NO-ONE on the roster in the main event is on the same level as them, Punk is the only one on the same level as Rock and that's very, very bad. Considering in a previous era you have three or four people who could go head to head with him and not sound like an absolute GEEK the WWE is in a dire state. It confirmed what we've known for ages, people like Sheamus and Orton have absolutely no business in the main event, as main event talents you should be able to go head to head on the stick with other main event talents, especially as main event baby faces.

The main event needs to be rehashed completely, we need more people like Punk in it and less people like Sheamus, because that's the only way we're going to get interesting main event segments like the one we witnessed last night when people like Rock aren't around. Push the Sandow's and Ambrose's, sure they aren't on Rock level right now, but they CAN be.
I have no doubt that they gave Punk even more freedom to do and say whatever last night. I don't know why they don't do this to other superstars so they can build up steam, get the fans behind them whether they are heel as face and build character.

They did it in the Attitude Era. I mean it is not coincidence that EVERYONE during the Attitude Era had respectable mic skills, I mean what are the chances that they all have decent mic skills in the hottest era in history? Bollox, they were allowed to go out there and say what they wanted in regards to what storyline/angle they were in at the time.

The only other person I could perhaps THINK they have been giving some sort of creative freedom to lately is Dolph Ziggler and he has been getting praise on "improving" on the microphone when it isn't the case, he is just allowed to be more like his character and given freedom.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:03 AM   #5572 (permalink)
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You got me there But imagine Dolph Ziggler saying it. Would you like it then?

The line was so out of place, it's not funny.

If ziggler was the top man in the company for the last 400+ days, what would make this "out of line"? It's a perfectly fine metaphor.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:07 AM   #5573 (permalink)
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Thoroughly enjoyable promo last night, with some terrific work from Punk (as standard with him). His speech before Rocky came out was probably my favourite material of his since 2011, not that he wasn't in form last year, he certainly was. I knew this feud would be something special, but oh boy is it going to be something special.

Thankfully made up for an otherwise lacklustre show.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:08 AM   #5574 (permalink)
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But Dolph Ziggler isn't the WWE Champion so it would be out of place. CM Punk has been the Champion for over 400 fucking days in a time where that is unheard of. He is pretty much god status, it's a superb line and the best part about the promo last night.

Out of place? Not at all. Cookie Puss was out of place, so was Popeye, but I'm not going to bash The Rock about them because that is what he does, he talks the corny talk, but it works, the crowd ate it up, Punk worked with it and the promo was awesome.
The logic isn't the problem. I just don't see the big deal of it.

EDIT: Using Ziggler was a terrible idea. My bad.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:09 AM   #5575 (permalink)
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I don't like it when superstars are smiling and happy in the pictures, I agree with you. Unless it is part of there character of course, like Zack Ryder or Santino or something equally as goofy.

Why do we have del Rio smiling in his pictures, he's the heel? Why is Sheamus smiling when he's that supposedly bad ass Irishman etc. Fuck off. Love how intense Punk and Rock are being with this feud and I know it can only get better from here.
I Agree but i don't mind ADR smile because he comes out looking like the cocky,rich,Smug and it works for him.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:10 AM   #5576 (permalink)
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I have no doubt that they gave Punk even more freedom to do and say whatever last night. I don't know why they don't do this to other superstars so they can build up steam, get the fans behind them whether they are heel as face and build character.

They did it in the Attitude Era. I mean it is not coincidence that EVERYONE during the Attitude Era had respectable mic skills, I mean what are the chances that they all have decent mic skills in the hottest era in history? Bollox, they were allowed to go out there and say what they wanted in regards to what storyline/angle they were in at the time.

The only other person I could perhaps THINK they have been giving some sort of creative freedom to lately is Dolph Ziggler and he has been getting praise on "improving" on the microphone when it isn't the case, he is just allowed to be more like his character and given freedom.
I think more freedom is only one part of the story, I think it's more to do with job security when you reach a certain level. Punk can get away with saying whatever the fuck he wants because he's a talent they simply CANNOT afford to de-push, not just because he's being paid a shitload, but because he's so much better than everyone else, he cut a money promo and the fans latched onto him, they simply could not turn back after that.

To get more freedom you're going to have to prove your worth with what they give you, people like Sheamus haven't done that yet, he seems pretty awkward and uncomfortable at times with PRE-WRITTEN material, so just imagine how things would turn out when you put him in he ring with off the cuff specialists? If they gave everyone freedom it'd truly end up being a battle of the survival of the fittest and yes, we would end up with the true main event talents at the end of it all but that's not what the WWE wants apparently. Sheamus can stick in the main event because he's favored, even though he's absolute pants. Sandow will probably never get to where Sheamus is because he isn't AS favored even though by most people's estimation he's one of the top mic workers right now. I'm not sure if Ziggler's been given more freedom in all honesty, can't remember any material he's used that doesn't feel like straight pre-written stuff, but even he tends to sound weak when it comes to rebuttals in face to face promos with people like Cena.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:12 AM   #5577 (permalink)
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the thing is, the promo last night wasn't about "who owned who" that people are so concerned about, because the feud isn't about that

the Rock/Cena feud was based on an argument between the two, Cena claiming Rock doesn't care about the fans and returned just to promote his shit, while Rock claims otherwise and claims Cena is a phony

it was more of a debate than a feud, so you kinda assume that people are eventually gonna go all "A owned B" , as silly as that was


but Rock/Punk isn't based on claims, it's a feud based on Rock wanting the WWE championship, Rock wants the belt and Punk wants to keep it, it's not about the "War of Words" or "Who owned Who" BS

it's your basic wrestling feud between two wrestlers fighting over a championship belt, but since Rock/Punk are both beyond brilliant mic workers it's natural that people would compare both efforts in promos , but really the promo wasn't about that, it was just to build intensity and add fuel to the feud



the irony is, while Cena/Rock is a reality-based feud, yet so far Rock/Punk feels much more edgier
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:15 AM   #5578 (permalink)
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If ziggler was the top man in the company for the last 400+ days, what would make this "out of line"? It's a perfectly fine metaphor.
Perfectly fine metaphor or not, say Cena or Rock were champion for 400+ days and made that remark, everybody in this place would have hated it.

Good mataphor no doubt, but I just don't see the big deal of it.

EDIT: Using Ziggler was a terrible idea. My bad.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:20 AM   #5579 (permalink)
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I think more freedom is only one part of the story, I think it's more to do with job security when you reach a certain level. Punk can get away with saying whatever the fuck he wants because he's a talent they simply CANNOT afford to de-push, not just because he's being paid a shitload, but because he's so much better than everyone else, he cut a money promo and the fans latched onto him, they simply could not turn back after that.

To get more freedom you're going to have to prove your worth with what they give you, people like Sheamus haven't done that yet, he seems pretty awkward and uncomfortable at times with PRE-WRITTEN material, so just imagine how things would turn out when you put him in he ring with off the cuff specialists? If they gave everyone freedom it'd truly end up being a battle of the survival of the fittest and yes, we would end up with the true main event talents at the end of it all but that's not what the WWE wants apparently. Sheamus can stick in the main event because he's favored, even though he's absolute pants. Sandow will probably never get to where Sheamus is because he isn't AS favored even though by most people's estimation he's one of the top mic workers right now. I'm not sure if Ziggler's been given more freedom in all honesty, can't remember any material he's used that doesn't feel like straight pre-written stuff, but even he tends to sound weak when it comes to rebuttals in face to face promos with people like Cena.
I do agree with you. I also think it's quite a sad state of affairs when you risk being de-pushed or taken off TV though if you speak out of script etc. especially if it garners a reaction from the crowd etc. If anything, Vince and others in the back should be looking to help the superstars with cutting promos or how to come across more natural and serious etc. I mean it is the business they love after all.

I do think losing the competition like ECW and WCW has hurt the WWE in that respect though. I mean the superstars they had in the late 90s during the Attitude Era had plied their trade in ECW or WCW, the likes of Chris Jericho, Stone Cold, Mick Foley etc. and all learnt things on the way whether it is on the microphone or there styles in the ring.
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Come on guys... lets not start with the "Punk would of made it in the Attitude Era" bullshit again.
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