I'm just going to focus on 1 aspect of this because Rock36 responded better than I could on the history of Taker v Rock.
You don't get over with boring, stale feuds. If WWE's plan is Rock Punk followed by Rock Cena 2 and to continue driving home the same played out arguments of Dwayne left for Hollywood and isn't deserving they're not building anything because they couldn't interest a single person long term. Cena or Punk defeating Dwayne Johnson is not going to help out their legacies. Not going to build new stars.
You have to build based on what's going to be most fresh, entertaining because you just don't get over on wins and losses alone. Entertainment is everything.
Punk Rock at the Rumble followed by Rock Cena 2 is going to be cringe worthy bad. Punk's already laid out his material against Rock and it's safe to assume that it's the same material Cena has. Then you follow that up with the rematch nobody wants to see.
I can't believe anyone thinks this is a good idea.
because Vince knows that Rock/Cena II at Mania is the bigger cash cow than Punk/Rock or even Punk/Rock/Cena at Mania.
Best case scenario is that Austin joins the party that way we could have...
Wrestlemania 29- John Cena vs. The Undertaker, The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar, CM Punk vs. Stone Cold
Wrestlemania 30- John Cena vs. Stone Cold, Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar, The Rock vs. CM Punk
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That's where somebody--Punk, Rock, Cena, Vince, someone from "creative"--needs to actually get creative. I can't disagree that any other feud vs. Rock by anyone with it being about Wrestler X standing up for "the boys" against big bad Hollywood Dwayne leaves a lot to be desired.
I would like to think even this WWE wouldn't institute a mere retread of Rock/Cena I, but of course I wouldn't be willing to jump on a limb and definitively say that they won't.
The biggest beneficiary of any Rock/Cena or Rock/Punk program coming this next winter toward Wrestlemania time in very early spring is the WWE Championship. None of the options are remotely among the freshest but at this point I'd be happy to see the championship be given "the rub," since that could very easily theoretically be parlayed into substantial star-creating undertakings beyond Wrestlemania XXIX. Rock won't be around for months after Wrestlemania, and by next spring the combination of CM Punk and John Cena against each other will probably finally be worn out, to some extent, anyway, so at least seeing the WWE Championship granted some sort of exaltation could be important for future WWE Champions in the next 18-24 months.
Any match with Punk in it, is NOT doing better than Rock/Cena, not only 2, but 3, 4 or 5. It's never happening at WM anyway, Rock/Lesnar or Rock/Cena for 29. The guy is not money no matter against who he wrestles, last year in a main event 1-1 with HHH they drew top 10 worst buyrates in the history of the company and probably top 5 domestic. It will also be a problem in the Rumble because Rock can't maximize his return without an opponent so it will be again, selling the PPV on his name alone or the fact that you got a rare opportunity to see The Rock winning the title one last time.
The GOAT one vs Tyrese with Ludacris as the guest ref. 2 million buys.
That feud has better build up than any WWE program lol. RockVSTyrese is money.
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What about this one,I still remember marking out like crazy when this happen oh man good times good times...
That's one of the best if not THE.
That's the one I was talking about:
The best are when Rock does the taunt before dropping the elbow. Recently, WM28 on Cena was awesome and the one on Show after RAW 1000, he did the Cena salute before:
All time. Flair WM20, HHH in 98(Summerslam was special with the MSG crowd popping huge)when he always did the DX mocking before, Breakdown 1998 on Foley and Shamrock, explosion, the building was shaking. Sliding on Bulldog, Backlash 2000, Austin WM15, Shane on July 2001 when he came back, he was running the ropes back then in insane speed.
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I saw it posted by somebody, can't remember who, how Rock and Taker can have just a normal match if they were to fight at Mania and it would be fine. That couldn't be further from the truth. The simple fact is, since Mania 25 vs. HBK, the stakes have been raised for the streak matches every year. HBK tried to beat Taker by wrestling him, twice, and it didn't work. At Mania 27, HHH came out throwing bombs because he knew trying to beat Taker by wrestling him wasn't going to work. He had to go a different route, a more vicious one. Manis 27 lead us to HIAC which was even more brutal than before. Rock, or anybody else for that matter, coming in and trying to wrestle Taker would be ridiculous not to mention stupid. It would also ruin the beautiful consistency we've watched play out over the past 4 years for the streak matches and I'd absolutely hate to see that happen. It's Brock, Cena or bust for the streak from here on out.
Yeah, but that's the point, that was HBK, then it was HHH, then it's Rock/Lesnar/Santino/no matter who, it's a different person, different credibility, different emotion from the audience, different characters, different type of match. In reality the reason HHH and Taker wrestled that style of match at WM27 was to go around their limitations in this day and age, nothing wrong with it, but it's not standard at all for the matches Taker has at WM. That story should be over now, the program is done, they need to move for fresh Taker angles.
As much as I love Rock and Taker I'm not really interested in a Mania program between them. Their characters don't mesh well in 2012 and their mic work is so drastically different that a feud wouldn't feel organic. I'm all for Brock/Rock but I think Brock/Taker is what's in the cards for 29. And rightfully so, especially when you consider what has transpired the past month between Brock/HBK/HHH. The match is essentially already written. Also, I don't necessarily agree with people suggesting Cena/Taker for 29. That match is only big enough for Mania 30 and should be Taker's last match.
Lastly, I know we're all apathetic towards another Rock/Cena angle but I think WWE will really surprise some of us with the angle this upcoming Winter/Spring. Vince and creative shouldn't be satisfied with the ratings the Rock/Cena angle was receiving this past year. The low ratings could only be attributed to the lack of material for the feud and the simple fact that Cena's argument just seemed baseless. All of the no selling, corny jokes, and breaking of kayfabe is something WWE is going to have to correct.
Vince already turned Punk heel because he's set to work with Rock. The fact that there's gonna be a definite face/heel dynamic is certainly going to help the feud. And once Rock/Cena II rolls around this spring, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if WWE realizes that one of these guys should be heel in order to get the most intrigue.
Yeah, but that's the point, that was HBK, then it was HHH, then it's Rock/Lesnar/Santino/no matter who, it's a different person, different credibility, different emotion from the audience, different characters, different type of match. In reality the reason HHH and Taker wrestled that style of match at WM27 was to go around their limitations in this day and age, nothing wrong with it, but it's not standard at all for the matches Taker has at WM. That story should be over now, the program is done, they need to move for fresh Taker angles.
No. I'm sorry but no lol. After everything that has happened these past 4 years and especially after the vicious nature of the 27 and 28 matches, to have a normal wrestling match after that would be so stupid. There is no different type of match. It won't work. Taker can't lose to a Rock Bottom after wrestling a nice little match after kicking out of sledgehammer shots, a million chair shots, countless Pedigress, countless SCM, a fucking Tombstone. It doesn't work like that and they can't just wipe the slate clean like that either. Lesnar vs. Taker will continue the story that you literally have to kill the Undertaker at Wrestlemania to beat him. The standard has been set over the past 4 years. Rock vs. Taker is the absolute wrong call. Brock and Cena are the only 2 matches Taker has left at Mania. They should keep Rock away from him. He isn't needed for that spot and quite honestly, he doesn't fit in either. Keep him with the Cena's/Punk's/whoevers where he can work the type of match he's expected to work with this return. The big entertainment once in a lifetime style main events that suit him down to the ground. Throwing him in there with the streak would do more harm than good.
And this is off topic but since we're talking about Rock lol, I was justing catching up on The Newsroom there and was pleasantly surprised to see both Rock and Triple H get a name drop. It was about Bin Laden getting killed and one of the characters thought Rock's tweet was about him coming back to 'lay the Smackdown on Triple H!' I lol'd, ha.
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