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post #411 of 9443 (permalink) Old 08-23-2012, 04:38 PM
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Re: Rock will elevate the WWE title?

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There's a reason why they were never booked to have a meaningful feud between each other. Because they sucked together.

Their characters don't mix. It's like seeing Elvis vs. Boris Karloff. Their characters are too far from one another in the universe to create a meaningful feud between them. Even now, if they were to "feud" (i.e., cut a dozen promos with each other, since that's what it would be for Wrestlemania), it would feel awkward and forced. I can think of a few avenues they could take with it--"Team Bring It" vs. "The Creatures of the Night"? Nevertheless, it doesn't excite me any, at all. Let's also be brutally honest: Undertaker was the least among the triumvirate of Taker-Triple H-Michaels this past Road to Wrestlemania when it came to promo work. He received "WHAT?" chants and was even getting boos here and there for some shaky mic work. Seeing him paired up with Rock would probably render the problem altogether more pressing. At least with Lesnar, Heyman can do the heavy lifting and sell the storyline without necessitating too much mic effort from either Taker or Lesnar.

The best thing that ever took place between Rock and Taker was Rock kicking Taker back down with the "Rock Stomp" after Taker "sat up" mid-People's Elbow on a random Raw in the fall of 1998. The rest of the match? Nope. Their match at Survivor Series later that fall? Boring Attitude Era "brawl," nothing offensive but unmemorable in the extreme. Their match at King of the Ring 1999 is actually atrocious, a nearly 20-minute snoozefest. Austin winning the title back the next night had nothing to do with it. By that point that night, I had repressed the match between Taker and Rock the night before because it was just so poor.

When I think of Rock and Undertaker, I think of Rock's December 2000 promo in which he mocked Taker's eye-rolling shtick (though Taker was the "American Badass" character at the time). Again, it was hysterical in large part because of how massive the gulf between those characters truly is.

To reiterate a point I made in a thread regarding Shawn Michaels having one last match--and it quickly was dominated by talk of Rock and HBK working together one day--"...Rock wrestling a guy who will be pushing 50 when they could ever conceivably lock it up in the middle of the ring in 2012, with Rock standing in as the Hogan figure from 2002 that he wrestled once upon a time as the young megastar, is just taking a backward step for WWE. And I'm sure Rock himself knows that. Since returning, Rock has been and continues to be working with Cena and Punk and Miz, not with guys who he either worked with a decade ago and don't need any further interaction with him or even legends like Michaels who he somehow missed out on ever working with. He's a lot cagier and wiser than he's given credit for, seems to me."

I think Rock's own fans aren't giving their own hero enough credit for having such a smart, well-rounded view of the business.

This isn't ruling out Lesnar/Rock as a possibility one day as a simple major attraction to boost a Summerslam or a Survivor Series one day, but at least as far as Wrestlemania XXIX is concerned, it seems like both men have entirely different trajectories. They've made it clear that as far as Cena and Rock are concerned, they have unfinished business with one another (their dialogue at Raw 1,000 saying as much), and Rock's locked in to wrestle Punk, almost surely at The Royal Rumble. Rock freeing himself up for Lesnar would require quite a few tricks in booking at this point. Meanwhile, Lesnar is here solely for big money and to work with the biggest possible names, and after Cena and Triple H, and with Rock busy with today's bigger stars, Undertaker would be next in line for Lesnar.
I'm just going to focus on 1 aspect of this because Rock36 responded better than I could on the history of Taker v Rock.

You don't get over with boring, stale feuds. If WWE's plan is Rock Punk followed by Rock Cena 2 and to continue driving home the same played out arguments of Dwayne left for Hollywood and isn't deserving they're not building anything because they couldn't interest a single person long term. Cena or Punk defeating Dwayne Johnson is not going to help out their legacies. Not going to build new stars.

You have to build based on what's going to be most fresh, entertaining because you just don't get over on wins and losses alone. Entertainment is everything.

Punk Rock at the Rumble followed by Rock Cena 2 is going to be cringe worthy bad. Punk's already laid out his material against Rock and it's safe to assume that it's the same material Cena has. Then you follow that up with the rematch nobody wants to see.

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a good idea.
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Re: Official The Rock WWE Championship Discussion

Who should the Rock face then?
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Is going to be Cena/Rock II and Cena/Rock III for Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Punk will be lucky to have a high profile match.
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Is going to be Cena/Rock II and Cena/Rock III for Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania. Punk will be lucky to have a high profile match.
Why isn't this man leading WWE creative?
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I'm just going to focus on 1 aspect of this because Rock36 responded better than I could on the history of Taker v Rock.

You don't get over with boring, stale feuds. If WWE's plan is Rock Punk followed by Rock Cena 2 and to continue driving home the same played out arguments of Dwayne left for Hollywood and isn't deserving they're not building anything because they couldn't interest a single person long term. Cena or Punk defeating Dwayne Johnson is not going to help out their legacies. Not going to build new stars.

You have to build based on what's going to be most fresh, entertaining because you just don't get over on wins and losses alone. Entertainment is everything.

Punk Rock at the Rumble followed by Rock Cena 2 is going to be cringe worthy bad. Punk's already laid out his material against Rock and it's safe to assume that it's the same material Cena has. Then you follow that up with the rematch nobody wants to see.

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a good idea.
because Vince knows that Rock/Cena II at Mania is the bigger cash cow than Punk/Rock or even Punk/Rock/Cena at Mania.
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Re: Official The Rock WWE Championship Discussion

Rock/Cena 2 isn't doing more than Punk/Rock.

That's not how it works.

Everyone and their mother could predict the outcome plus Rock fans have already seen Rock beat john so they aren't gunna pay to see it again.



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because Vince knows that Rock/Cena II at Mania is the bigger cash cow than Punk/Rock or even Punk/Rock/Cena at Mania.
Rock v Punk or Cena at Wrestlemania 29 is a horrible idea in any combination.

Neither one of those cards would maxumize buyers. Cena v Taker, Rock v Lesnar is by and away the most profitable card WWE could produce.

I don't think it happens because Taker wants Lesnar. Personally I'm turned off by the stale championship match and predictable outcomes.
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Re: Official The Rock WWE Championship Discussion

WWE might want to save Cena/Taker for 30.

Best case scenario is that Austin joins the party that way we could have...

Wrestlemania 29- John Cena vs. The Undertaker, The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar, CM Punk vs. Stone Cold
Wrestlemania 30- John Cena vs. Stone Cold, Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar, The Rock vs. CM Punk
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Re: Official The Rock WWE Championship Discussion

That's where somebody--Punk, Rock, Cena, Vince, someone from "creative"--needs to actually get creative. I can't disagree that any other feud vs. Rock by anyone with it being about Wrestler X standing up for "the boys" against big bad Hollywood Dwayne leaves a lot to be desired.

I would like to think even this WWE wouldn't institute a mere retread of Rock/Cena I, but of course I wouldn't be willing to jump on a limb and definitively say that they won't.

The biggest beneficiary of any Rock/Cena or Rock/Punk program coming this next winter toward Wrestlemania time in very early spring is the WWE Championship. None of the options are remotely among the freshest but at this point I'd be happy to see the championship be given "the rub," since that could very easily theoretically be parlayed into substantial star-creating undertakings beyond Wrestlemania XXIX. Rock won't be around for months after Wrestlemania, and by next spring the combination of CM Punk and John Cena against each other will probably finally be worn out, to some extent, anyway, so at least seeing the WWE Championship granted some sort of exaltation could be important for future WWE Champions in the next 18-24 months.

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Any match with Punk in it, is NOT doing better than Rock/Cena, not only 2, but 3, 4 or 5. It's never happening at WM anyway, Rock/Lesnar or Rock/Cena for 29. The guy is not money no matter against who he wrestles, last year in a main event 1-1 with HHH they drew top 10 worst buyrates in the history of the company and probably top 5 domestic. It will also be a problem in the Rumble because Rock can't maximize his return without an opponent so it will be again, selling the PPV on his name alone or the fact that you got a rare opportunity to see The Rock winning the title one last time.

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The GOAT one vs Tyrese with Ludacris as the guest ref. 2 million buys.
That feud has better build up than any WWE program lol. RockVSTyrese is money.

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What about this one,I still remember marking out like crazy when this happen oh man good times good times...
That's one of the best if not THE.

That's the one I was talking about:


The best are when Rock does the taunt before dropping the elbow. Recently, WM28 on Cena was awesome and the one on Show after RAW 1000, he did the Cena salute before:




All time. Flair WM20, HHH in 98(Summerslam was special with the MSG crowd popping huge)when he always did the DX mocking before, Breakdown 1998 on Foley and Shamrock, explosion, the building was shaking. Sliding on Bulldog, Backlash 2000, Austin WM15, Shane on July 2001 when he came back, he was running the ropes back then in insane speed.


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