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Old 08-21-2012, 05:54 PM   #371 (permalink)
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I don't see how Cena is a fighter in any way, he never had that image, he was just too stupid to take what he took in that Lesnar match. Like you saw with HHH, he didn't agree to that and rightfully so. Taker will do the same thing. HHH was also never a fighter type figure, he was a brutal brawler. Rock can easily adapt to that style of Lesnar. If Rock was working that style with Brock, there wouldn't be comedy or crowd interaction besides the typical Rock style, the same way he cut all his promos against Brock in 2002 when they build their program like a UFC countdown special with the gym video packages. Rock's real life background is more than enough to sell this match and like they did for Summerslam 2002, their similarities as an athletes. After one promo, believability is not going to be a factor, it's all about the content and attitude and nobody does it better than The Rock. The throat line to Cena's face in Boston in March was a good example(Cena's stupidity in selling is another story)

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I disagree. EC is one of the bigger B-PPVs because it's the "Road to Wrestlemania". The February PPVs tend to have huge matches.

96: Bret/Nash in the cage
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Yeah but this is not the same era, which is why I said WWE of today. Now the EC is a 170k PPV with filler and just a little distraction in a way to WM. Not a big PPV that worth the wasting of a big match.

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Old 08-21-2012, 06:02 PM   #372 (permalink)
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I don't see it as wasting a match. I see it as improving a show.
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This isn't 2002 and this isn't the same Brock Lesnar. And nobody can adapt to the style of this Lesnar because there's nobody else like him and nobody else that can do what he does. Not even close. Believability is everything when it comes to Brock in 2012. That's why guys like Punk, Bryan, Seamus and even Orton aren't going to get anywhere near him. Rock is obviously more credible than all of them but for me that is called into question when potentially pitting him against Brock today. I have my issues with it and quite honestly, it just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. I also don't think it would work and I'd much rather see Taker/Lesnar, even if that means Rock/Cena II I suppose.
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I guess we need to agree to disagree on that Starbuck, although I believe 100% that one segment between them will change your mindset on the spot.

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From the way I see it, there's improving, like doing better hype for the EC matches and there's wasting, giving away a huge match like Rock/Orton on a PPV that nobody cares about when you can get the entire audience's attention on another show and make it memorable. You can do Rock/Lesnar at OTL, but that's throwing a nuclear bomb in the middle of the ocean, when on another date, it can shake the world with an arrow. I don't actually see Vince doing such a ridiculous move even today BTW, just hypothetical scenario.

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From the way I see it, there's improving, like doing better hype for the EC matches and there's wasting, giving away a huge match like Rock/Orton on a PPV that nobody cares about when you can get the entire audience's attention on another show and make it memorable. You can do Rock/Lesnar at OTL, but that's throwing a nuclear bomb in the middle of the ocean, when on another date, it can shake the world with an arrow. I don't actually see Vince doing such a ridiculous move even today BTW, just hypothetical scenario.
That's true. I think with consistency, though, that would actually benefit them to have matches like that. Might get interest back up in the B PPVs. At the same time though, I'm sure most fans at this point are pretty set on what they're going to order each year with WM and SS being at the top followed by Rumble and then SSeries and perhaps something like EC or MITB as a fifth.
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With regards the Elimination Chamber PPV:

I would rather scrap the whole elimination chamber match. Re-brand the PPV as "No Way Out" and have 1 v 1 title matches that progress the storyline. With 1 v 1 title matches, the storyline can be enhanced immensely more for a long term feud, and it will greatly help build the ROTWM feuds.

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I am going to have to agree with Starbuck on this. Simply for the fact, look at what Undertaker has gone through the past WrestleManias. Look at his past matches with Brock. He simply comes across as someone who can legitimately take the beatings that Brock is dishing out. Brock has a new found "aura" about him. It is unlike any heel currently in WWE. The atmosphere just changes when he is around.
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That's true. I think with consistency, though, that would actually benefit them to have matches like that. Might get interest back up in the B PPVs. At the same time though, I'm sure most fans at this point are pretty set on what they're going to order each year with WM and SS being at the top followed by Rumble and then SSeries and perhaps something like EC or MITB as a fifth.
WWE pretty much ruined the Summerslam value in the last few years, Royal Rumble became by far the second biggest PPV of the year. The Rumble concept proved to be brilliant as an attraction and it's working every year, even years with horrible hype like 2011-2012. I think it's WM, Rumble, Summerslam, SVS and ER as the top 5 in that order. But yeah, it's hard to build a show when you know it's just a filler for the big show. Maybe this pattern is going to end anyway with the Network, if they're serious about moving the B PPVs.
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Has there been any word on the network recently? Feel like I haven't heard anything since pre-WM. :/
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Nothing new, just Vince trying to kill time and moving the date every quarter. Big chance that they're going to cancel it before 2013 after they realize the slim chance of profitability from this "Network".
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I see, I see. Damn. Hoping it at least starts just to see what it'd be like.
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