[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by The-Rock-Says

Eh, don't get this thinking. You saying you think Rock is less credible that Cena and HHH?

Rock is a huge dude. He's more than credible to be in the ring with Brock.

He's credible sure, as a star attraction and all that but Rock has never been a fighter. When I say fighter I mean that in the context of the WWE. Triple H is a fighter in WWE terms. Cena is a fighter in WWE terms. They've both been in some pretty brutal battles. Rock was never that guy. He was the flashy entertainer guy. I'm not saying he hasn't had fights/brutal matches or anything but the thought of Rock saying to this Brock Lesnar that he's going to put the boots to his candy ass makes me lol. The thought of him hitting those patented Rocky punches makes me lol even more. Brock is much better having a match with Taker than he is Rock because Taker is in the same vein as HHH/Cena. Rock has more credibility than the 3 of them but he isn't and never was a guy renowned for his fighting/brawling/whatever you want to call it skills. It's a different kind of credibility of that makes sense.

[Rock316AE]

Lesnar/HHH was your regular brawl, the Cena match was different but nobody is going to sell for him like that. Rock can wrestle a brawl with Lesnar with no problem, besides one stiff clothesline from Brock to HHH, there was nothing special that Rock wouldn't do in terms of his Hollywood career, let alone can't do. In the Cena match at WM28, Cena almost broke Rock's neck with that stupid top rope leg drop. That was alone a bigger bump than anything they did with Lesnar and Hunter, other than that it was all selling, no hard way or stiffness.

[murder]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Rock/Orton is too big for a random B PPV. To do that there is throwing money to the toilet because nobody cares about a PPV a month before a huge WM in the New York market(In general, ridiculous move to put Rock or Lesnar on that show and I'm sure that it's not happening). Rock/Orton is at least Summerslam material. Best scenario IMO is Rock killing Punk on RAW, beating Cena at the Rumble and going to face Rumble winner Lesnar at WM29, nothing is bigger or better than that.

I disagree. EC is one of the bigger B-PPVs because it's the "Road to Wrestlemania". The February PPVs tend to have huge matches.

96: Bret/Nash in the cage
99: Austin/Vince in the cage
00: Foley/HHH in HIAC
01: Austin/HHH 3 Stages of Hell
02: well no match but the return of the NWO was huge
03: Hogan/Rock

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Rock316AE

Lesnar/HHH was your regular brawl, the Cena match was different but nobody is going to sell for him like that. Rock can wrestle a brawl with Lesnar with no problem, besides one stiff clothesline from Brock to HHH, there was nothing special that Rock wouldn't do in terms of his Hollywood career, let alone can't do. In the Cena match at WM28, Cena almost broke Rock's neck with that stupid top rope leg drop. That was alone a bigger bump than anything they did with Lesnar and Hunter, other than that it was all selling, no hard way or stiffness.

I'm not talking about Rock's ability to wrestle the match or take bumps. I'm sure he could do all that no problem. I'm talking about my and possibly others ability to buy into it. It's like Heyman said about bringing a fighter into an entertainment company. Well, at least inside the entertainment company there are guys known for being fighters and guys known for being entertainers. Taker is a fighter. HHH is a fighter. Cena is a fighter I suppose. HBK is an entertainer. Rock is an entertainer. That's what I mean. You already have to stretch your believability to buy into Lesnar fighting Cena and HHH, 2 guys who are much better known for their fighting than Rock. For me personally, after seeing Lesnar's matches with Cena and HHH, the thought of putting Rock in there and actually winning seems pretty silly to me now. I'd much rather it be Taker because I'll be able to buy into that.

[The-Rock-Says]

Cena a fighter? Really?

Come on.

Put the biggest stars in the ring with him and I'll believe it. It's pro wrestling.

Put Brock Vs Rock on PPV and I'll damn sure buy it. I didn't buy the Lesnar/HHH match.

[Starbuck]

And I don't know if I would buy into Rock in that environment. The thought of a match between them with this version of Lesnar doesn't click for me at all. Taker/Brock is MUCH more appealing imo because Taker is everything Rock is not when it comes to being paired off against Lesnar.

[Rock316AE]

I don't see how Cena is a fighter in any way, he never had that image, he was just too stupid to take what he took in that Lesnar match. Like you saw with HHH, he didn't agree to that and rightfully so. Taker will do the same thing. HHH was also never a fighter type figure, he was a brutal brawler. Rock can easily adapt to that style of Lesnar. If Rock was working that style with Brock, there wouldn't be comedy or crowd interaction besides the typical Rock style, the same way he cut all his promos against Brock in 2002 when they build their program like a UFC countdown special with the gym video packages. Rock's real life background is more than enough to sell this match and like they did for Summerslam 2002, their similarities as an athletes. After one promo, believability is not going to be a factor, it's all about the content and attitude and nobody does it better than The Rock. The throat line to Cena's face in Boston in March was a good example(Cena's stupidity in selling is another story)

Originally Posted by murder

I disagree. EC is one of the bigger B-PPVs because it's the "Road to Wrestlemania". The February PPVs tend to have huge matches.

96: Bret/Nash in the cage
99: Austin/Vince in the cage
00: Foley/HHH in HIAC
01: Austin/HHH 3 Stages of Hell
02: well no match but the return of the NWO was huge
03: Hogan/Rock

Yeah but this is not the same era, which is why I said WWE of today. Now the EC is a 170k PPV with filler and just a little distraction in a way to WM. Not a big PPV that worth the wasting of a big match.

[Brye]

I don't see it as wasting a match. I see it as improving a show.

[Starbuck]

This isn't 2002 and this isn't the same Brock Lesnar. And nobody can adapt to the style of this Lesnar because there's nobody else like him and nobody else that can do what he does. Not even close. Believability is everything when it comes to Brock in 2012. That's why guys like Punk, Bryan, Seamus and even Orton aren't going to get anywhere near him. Rock is obviously more credible than all of them but for me that is called into question when potentially pitting him against Brock today. I have my issues with it and quite honestly, it just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. I also don't think it would work and I'd much rather see Taker/Lesnar, even if that means Rock/Cena II I suppose.

[Rock316AE]

I guess we need to agree to disagree on that Starbuck, although I believe 100% that one segment between them will change your mindset on the spot.

Originally Posted by Brye

I don't see it as wasting a match. I see it as improving a show.

From the way I see it, there's improving, like doing better hype for the EC matches and there's wasting, giving away a huge match like Rock/Orton on a PPV that nobody cares about when you can get the entire audience's attention on another show and make it memorable. You can do Rock/Lesnar at OTL, but that's throwing a nuclear bomb in the middle of the ocean, when on another date, it can shake the world with an arrow. I don't actually see Vince doing such a ridiculous move even today BTW, just hypothetical scenario.