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Old 10-16-2012, 09:27 AM   #1561 (permalink)
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But that also means ending rybacks streak which won't happen.
Which is why this match is fucking stupid. Ryback shouldn't be in a Title match.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:29 AM   #1562 (permalink)
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I agree, he shouldn't be in a title match until much, much later. Like at wrestle mania. But that's the way it's gonna be.
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But that also means ending rybacks streak which won't happen.
What won't happen, hotshotting the title onto Ryback only to have him lose it right back? If he doesn't win the title at HIAC, his streak is over too. He goes in that cell, no DQ, no countout, he either wins the title, or he has a loss on his record. The only way around it is if they do some kind of double knockout type deal, or Ryback gets taken out before the PPV and John Cena steps in at the last minute.
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You can have an opinion on individual wrestlers that's different to mine, I don't give a shit, but objectively that's a terrible card. I don't know about you, but I'm against WrestleMania matches where it literally DOESN'T matter who wins. Rock/Lesnar and Sheamus/Orton, to pick out two of them, the winners do not matter at ALL. You have one match where both guys are part timers who are leaving afterwards, and then in the other one, a world title match between two guys who have been handed EVERYTHING from day 1, they've accomplished everything, nobody gets over, nobody benefits, it's the same old shit nobody has any reason to care about. Then you have Cena vs Taker which should happen at WrestleMania 30, not WrestleMania 29, and should be Taker's last match ever, so that's a waste for this WrestleMania, then you have Ryback vs "whoever", and we don't know who that is, presumably Punk with that card, against a guy who hasn't proven that he can have a long match, or even proven that he knows more than 4 moves, and he's the champion going into the biggest show of the year. That's a disaster.
I personally couldn't care less about who "gets over" and who gets "buried". Shit like that should only matter to those in charge. Ryback has not even been given a chance so who knows what happens by Wrestlemania time. Sheamus/Orton will be a great match and I want Orton (who has NOT been "handed everything from day 1" despite your constant preaching about it. He was pushed, dropped then worked his way back up) to be in a match that matters in one way instead of some random nonsensical match with Kane over a fucking handshake. And Rock/Lesnar will simply be a classic and that's all that matters to me. As for Cena/Taker, you are really looking too deep into this. All I want is for the match to happen at Wrestlemania at one point or another, end of story. I couldn't care less if it's Taker's last match or if it happens next year. Just give me the damn match!
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What won't happen, hotshotting the title onto Ryback only to have him lose it right back? If he doesn't win the title at HIAC, his streak is over too. He goes in that cell, no DQ, no countout, he either wins the title, or he has a loss on his record. The only way around it is if they do some kind of double knockout type deal, or Ryback gets taken out before the PPV and John Cena steps in at the last minute.
IDK, maybe Hey,an and Lesnar kidnap ryback before the match lol. Or, despite it being no do, he beats punk so badly and doesn't go for the pin or anything, that the ref is forced to stop the match to stop the brutality.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:49 AM   #1566 (permalink)
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I don't think they'll have Punk lose at HIAC. I think the finish will be a cluster fuck and Punk will retain. Simple.

Find it funny that some people (Heel) not just a matter of a day ago was a fan of Ryback and has said many times he likes him, only a few hours later doesn't like him anymore and is having a go at people for liking him.

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I really like the guy; he has a bit of charisma that is pretty rare in a big guy and he hits his big moves is such a badass way. Not usually my type of wrestler at all (My favourites are Punk, Ziggler and Bryan) but I'm starting to really get into him. As are the crowd, I mean just listen to the reaction when he's in the ring with Punk. He was treated like a big star.
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Sad how some people change their tune on guys when they come up against their favorites. I'm a fan of both guys, but I don't want Ryback to win here, it's too early, Punk WILL retain somehow. Punk/Rock WILL happen. And I don't think WWE want to cut Punk's reign short just to give Ryback a filler reign and to only have Punk win the title back later, no, they're treating Ryback like a really big deal so I imagine Ryback's first title reign will be something special, he'll hold it for months to really establish himself (like Sheamus is doing now) and he'll probably win at WrestleMania for the same reason, to establish him, so I highly doubt he'll win the title here. I don't know what will happen, but Punk will retain somehow. The ideal scenario would to be a draw, with Punk retaining the title and Ryback keeping his undefeated streak, but I don't know how they could do that in a Hell in a Cell.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:54 AM   #1567 (permalink)
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IDK, maybe Hey,an and Lesnar kidnap ryback before the match lol. Or, despite it being no do, he beats punk so badly and doesn't go for the pin or anything, that the ref is forced to stop the match to stop the brutality.
If the ref stops the match because Punk can't continue, he wins the title. That's a KO win, they've happened pretty frequently. Tensai even beat a few people like that when he came in.

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I personally couldn't care less about who "gets over" and who gets "buried". Shit like that should only matter to those in charge.
Then what the fuck are you keeping up with it for? If it doesn't matter who wins and it doesn't matter who loses, don't even bother.

It SHOULD matter to the fans. I don't want fucking Orton having a WWE title match with Sheamus 5 years from now, we need MORE STARS. And god dammit does Ryback ever suck, but at the very, VERY least, he's new. That's not a compliment and it's not saying anything, but it's something. This shit is like watching a television show where every season is 100% identical.


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to be in a match that matters in one way instead of some random nonsensical match with Kane over a fucking handshake.
Well, he deserves a random, nonsensical match, not a match that matters. Especially after he went all Jeff Hardy on them and got suspended a second time after everything they've given him.

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No, it really won't be. It wasn't even that good the first time, and now they're both much older, and much less motivated to perform well given the fact that they have better pay days than everybody else put together.

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Yeah, maybe I am looking deep into it. That's probably because I respect Taker's career more than you do and I want to see it end properly. There's nothing you can do to top the atmosphere of a match with Cena and there's no better end than to retire at WM 30 having beat the top guy, and he's not going out before 30. Taker understands the value of numbers I'm sure, marketing an Undertaker WrestleMania 30 match, especially the finale to his career is something, properly promoted they'll make a shitload of money on and so will he.
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Sad how some people change their tune on guys when they come up against their favorites. I'm a fan of both guys, but I don't want Ryback to win here, it's too early, Punk WILL retain somehow. Punk/Rock WILL happen. And I don't think WWE want to cut Punk's reign short just to give Ryback a filler reign and to only have Punk win the title back later, no, they're treating Ryback like a really big deal so I imagine Ryback's first title reign will be something special, he'll hold it for months to really establish himself (like Sheamus is doing now) and he'll probably win at WrestleMania for the same reason, to establish him, so I highly doubt he'll win the title here. I don't know what will happen, but Punk will retain somehow. The ideal scenario would to be a draw, with Punk retaining the title and Ryback keeping his undefeated streak, but I don't know how they could do that in a Hell in a Cell.
Look, I've said in recent posts that I don't hate Ryback. I'm just annoyed they are skyrocketing him into a feud that could hurt wrestlers I prefer to him (e.g. Punk). At the time I wrote that he wasn't due to main-event for the WWE Title and yeah, that changes things.

As far as big-guys go he is OK and has good charisma, but he shouldn't be anywhere near a PPV main-event against Punk especially when it means it's likely he HAS to win the match. Him winning would impact on the potential Rock vs. Punk match and while it's not Ryback's fault, it has soured him for me a bit. I'd have been fine with him continuing to squash midcarders for a few more months, winning the Rumble and winning the WHC at 'Mania. What they're doing now, I'm not OK with at all.

Also don't act like you've never had a drastic change in opinion, since we all have, and if I wanted to I'm sure I could find supposed contradictions from you too. Things change and they in turn change your opinions of wrestlers. It happens.
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But with KO wins is it the same as a dq win? Where you lose the match but still have the title?
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No. If Ryback knocks Punk out, he's the WWE Champion.
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