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Old 11-10-2012, 08:17 PM   #851 (permalink)
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I don't know about another back-to-back series for Taker at Mania. I'd rather Taker face different opponents in the next couple of shows. Preferable Cena at WrestleMania 29 and Rock (after he defeats Lesnar this year) at WrestleMania 30.
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Old 11-10-2012, 11:45 PM   #852 (permalink)
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PS: I love how people say that Punk is beneath the streak when he's 10x better in the ring than Batista, and he's far superior to the vastly overrated Edge IMO. Hell, you can even argue he's better in the ring now than Trips was at XXVII and XXVIII. WWE has put a TON of faith in Punk over the last year or so as the Savage to Cena's Hogan, so why not Punk ?
I think it's more of a credibility thing. If Taker/Punk happened before all the HBK and HHH matches (specifically the HHH matches) then it would be more accepted, but no one would expect Punk to be a kayfabe challenge to the streak like HHH unless they played up the idea of Taker being weakened year by year. Of course he came back kayfabe stronger at WM28, going from getting dismantled by HHH the year prior to dismantling the game himself. So if he doesn't come back and compete before WM a few times, I can't see how they'll logically play that angle off... then again in WWE, logic is sometimes fucked.

So yeah, it's not really a question of whether Punk has better in ring skills than past opponents, because I'd say he's right now 10x better than HHH (from 02-now), Edge, and Batista combined. He's arguably WOTY and has had arguably 2-3 classics this year alone (Punk/Jericho matches and Punk/Bryan OTL), not to mention a bunch of other awesome matches and being consistently in MOTN at most of the PPVs this year. It's just no one could see him being a threat to the streak because not only with what Taker has gone through the last 4 years, but also the booking of Punk since turning heel and being a cowardly weak heel for most of it.

Plus I'm not sure Taker/Punk would be as good as the matches with Batista, Edge, and HHH anyway (well, I'm certain it would be better than the WM27 match). Taker/Punk haven't shown they have great chemistry and their PPV bouts have been lackluster... though you look at their SD match in 2010 before NOC and they may have something going with that formula.

Regardless, I think all the talk of Taker facing Punk will just be talk and nothing more. There are a number of bigger opponents for Taker to face and Punk himself from his comments at Comic-con doesn't seem interested in the streak anyway. Of course if Rock faces Cena and Lesnar faces HHH, Taker/Punk may just be put in ink for the WM card, though it would be much more beneficial for the streak match and Punk to have Taker face Lesnar and HHH to face Punk. Kinda sucks it looks like that isn't how it's going down, but then again there is still 5 months till WM, and nothing has to be set in stone for 2-3 months.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:10 AM   #853 (permalink)
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I think it's more of a credibility thing. If Taker/Punk happened before all the HBK and HHH matches (specifically the HHH matches) then it would be more accepted, but no one would expect Punk to be a kayfabe challenge to the streak like HHH unless they played up the idea of Taker being weakened year by year. Of course he came back kayfabe stronger at WM28, going from getting dismantled by HHH the year prior to dismantling the game himself. So if he doesn't come back and compete before WM a few times, I can't see how they'll logically play that angle off... then again in WWE, logic is sometimes fucked.

So yeah, it's not really a question of whether Punk has better in ring skills than past opponents, because I'd say he's right now 10x better than HHH (from 02-now), Edge, and Batista combined. He's arguably WOTY and has had arguably 2-3 classics this year alone (Punk/Jericho matches and Punk/Bryan OTL), not to mention a bunch of other awesome matches and being consistently in MOTN at most of the PPVs this year. It's just no one could see him being a threat to the streak because not only with what Taker has gone through the last 4 years, but also the booking of Punk since turning heel and being a cowardly weak heel for most of it.

Plus I'm not sure Taker/Punk would be as good as the matches with Batista, Edge, and HHH anyway (well, I'm certain it would be better than the WM27 match). Taker/Punk haven't shown they have great chemistry and their PPV bouts have been lackluster... though you look at their SD match in 2010 before NOC and they may have something going with that formula.

Regardless, I think all the talk of Taker facing Punk will just be talk and nothing more. There are a number of bigger opponents for Taker to face and Punk himself from his comments at Comic-con doesn't seem interested in the streak anyway. Of course if Rock faces Cena and Lesnar faces HHH, Taker/Punk may just be put in ink for the WM card, though it would be much more beneficial for the streak match and Punk to have Taker face Lesnar and HHH to face Punk. Kinda sucks it looks like that isn't how it's going down, but then again there is still 5 months till WM, and nothing has to be set in stone for 2-3 months.
I think Punk vs Taker can only work if both are given free reign to do technical battles like Taker did with Bret at Summerslam 1997, Angle at No Way Out 2006, and Edge at Wrestlemania 24.

And I agree Taker should stop having Wrestlemania rematches. Be it with Cena or anyone else.
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I think its too soon for Punk when it comes to the Streak or if he'll ever be ready for it in terms of 'name value'. I think the build for it wouldn't be great, a lot of trash talking from Punk, lights go out and he runs etc.

Taker needs to face 'Monster's figuratively or literally Brock, Cena, Rock etc.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:49 AM   #855 (permalink)
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I'd like to see Punk-Taker at Mania this year and Cena-Rock II

It would be great to see a promo battle between Punk and Taker with Punk trying to be real and calling Taker out for only working 1 day per year and then Taker being full on gimmick, saying he will end Punk. Punk could then play the chicken shit heel, scared as anything of the Undertaker, leading to a class Mania match between the two.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:49 AM   #857 (permalink)
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I'd like to see Punk-Taker at Mania this year and Cena-Rock II

It would be great to see a promo battle between Punk and Taker with Punk trying to be real and calling Taker out for only working 1 day per year and then Taker being full on gimmick, saying he will end Punk. Punk could then play the chicken shit heel, scared as anything of the Undertaker, leading to a class Mania match between the two.
I think Punk trying to be real and calling Taker "Mark" in his promos would be stupid. It may work on people like Rock who's well known outside WWE, but for a guy like Taker who stays on kayfabe all the time that would be ridiculous.
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Old 11-11-2012, 11:56 AM   #858 (permalink)
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While I'm not someone against the whole using first real names to poke at someone, for the reason The Pied Piper stated, it just wouldn't work. Maybe as ABA Taker it would be fine, but Taker as the deadman is a complete 100% gimmick which is completely separate from who Mark Calaway is as a person. It just wouldn't work, especially when a lot of people don't like it being done already with the guys it's done on. Unless the attempt of course it to destroy Taker's deadman character to make him human again in his final year or two, which would be incredibly stupid.
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While I'm not someone against the whole using first real names to poke at someone, for the reason The Pied Piper stated, it just wouldn't work. Maybe as ABA Taker it would be fine, but Taker as the deadman is a complete 100% gimmick which is completely separate from who Mark Calaway is as a person. It just wouldn't work, especially when a lot of people don't like it being done already with the guys it's done on. Unless the attempt of course it to destroy Taker's deadman character to make him human again in his final year or two, which would be incredibly stupid.
Exactly this, unless somehow Punk can work without mentioning kayfabe, which is unusual for him.
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Default Who would you most like to see Undertaker face next at Wrestlemania?

Just wondering what the most popular view for this is, personally I'd say Brock, but I expect Sting will be more popular. Cena's been batted around a few times and CM Punk is another one that could be interesting with Punk's demanding respect gimmick of late.
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