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Old 06-10-2012, 08:12 AM   #321 (permalink)
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If Vince was willing to erase every single Benoit match including Awrestlemania XX main event, I don't see why he wouldn't be willing to do so to a Wrestlemania 22 match.
But he hasn't erased them, he just avoids them. Go to wwe.com and all of Benoit's achievements and PPV matches are listed as normal. Although it's extremely hard to actually find pictures of him there. (there's a few but only that) And like I said before, it's not like they saw it coming in 2006 which is when WM22 took place.

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I think that would be a bad idea, because Taker's last 4 Wrestlemania matches really relied on in-ring psychology achieved through making the crowds believe The Streak could end in any way or form anytime. I Quit will eliminate every possibility but doing surrendering, which will hurt the in-ring psychology. So, it's best to let Cena/Taker be a normal 1 on 1 match.

Imagine if, after battling for 40+ minutes, The Undertaker is about to give Cena his third Tombstone (let's say Taker has hit 2 Tombstone but Cena kicked out both times whereas Cena have also hit 3 FU only for Taker to kicked out every time), but then Cena reverses the Tombstone Piledriver and gives The Undertaker a taste of his own Tombstone Piledriver before covering for the pin. Whether he wins that match or not, the reaction from the crowds will be otherworldly cause there's a definite chance of Taker not kicking out, which means even if he does kick out the reaction will be even louder. That can happen only when the crowd knows The Streak can end anytime. Otherwise, they would probably sit on their laps cause they know that surprise move won't do sh*t.

Lastly, I'm not trying to compare the quality, but the crowds reaction. Matches that rely on in-ring psychology like Rock/Hogan at WM 18 and Taker/HBK at WM 25 ALWAYS received better crowds reaction that I Quit Matches like Bret/Austin at WM 13 or Rock/Mankind.
You're actually onto something. I Quit matches usually have mostly dead crowds because the matches tend to go slowly. But in a normal one-on-one match, the crowd would be unbelievable and the match would be a definitive classic.

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Well, I think some of them were/are willing. I mean, I'm sure Lesnar is willing if he were given the right to decide, but it's just Vince, and now Steph & HHH too, will never let The Streak end to anyone due to business reason.
Lesnar is willing because he just doesn't give a damn and is not really in the business. He's only out to get his money in his current run, so it's not like they would let him end it. But if you take a full-timer, they definitely would reject it because they would not only face a lot of backlash, but also lose some respect. That's how huge the streak is.
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Old 06-10-2012, 08:55 AM   #322 (permalink)
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But he hasn't erased them, he just avoids them. Go to wwe.com and all of Benoit's achievements and PPV matches are listed as normal. Although it's extremely hard to actually find pictures of him there. (there's a few but only that) And like I said before, it's not like they saw it coming in 2006 which is when WM22 took place.
Well, one way or another, we would never knew how Vince would have treated The Streak if Taker defeated Benoit at WM 22. I guess that will be a mystery till the end of time, unless someone asks Vince personally.

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You're actually onto something. I Quit matches usually have mostly dead crowds because the matches tend to go slowly. But in a normal one-on-one match, the crowd would be unbelievable and the match would be a definitive classic.
Yes, because it's easier to sell infinite possibilities to the crowds when there's more than one way to win.

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Lesnar is willing because he just doesn't give a damn and is not really in the business. He's only out to get his money in his current run, so it's not like they would let him end it. But if you take a full-timer, they definitely would reject it because they would not only face a lot of backlash, but also lose some respect. That's how huge the streak is.
Maybe you're right about Lesnar, but from what I heard, leading to Wrestlemania 23, Batista was planned to end it and Batista didn't say no despite being a full timer. It was only several days before Wrestlemania 23 when Vince decided to let The Streak continue.
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Would you mind, if Sting ended the streak?
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Brock
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If he went for 5 more matches I couldn't think of a more convincing / satisfying five.
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Old 06-12-2012, 09:24 AM   #325 (permalink)
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This story is dead, Brock lost to Cena clean, he can get 30 wins, he still lost clean and he's probably losing to HHH in August anyway. Even if not, that just makes Rock and Brock bigger. Rock and Lesnar at WM, with no feud AT ALL on WWE TV is bigger than Taker/Lesnar with a 3 months program for the names and mainstream publicity alone.
Pretty much this about Brock/Taker. Brock just comes across terribly right now. And if he jobs to HHH in august it will be worse. Brock/Rock will capture the attention of the mass of casual fans, even in university I knew LOADS of people who watched wrestlemania just to see the rock vs cena, and never watched any of the buildup or even survivor series. Brock/Rock is a bigger match for BUYS AND MONEY not necessarily what every hardcore fan wants though!

Taker should be facing Cena. He is the one who everyone can believe can win. Whatever buildup they have. It will be a better match. Everyone was split 50/50 for Punk/Cena, Rock/Cena. And they will be split again. We saw taker kick out of SCM and the Pedigree. Imagine if Cena hits 3 FUs and then a tombstone, even add further an FU from the top rope?

Keep it Rock/Brock and Cena/Taker please. It just makes the most sense right now, although with WM going into its 30th year in 2014, they might want to save some big matches like Cena/Taker for then.

Another fact is with those 4 names, any match up will draw in the casual fans just have them on the card, I just think what I said is the best possible card.

Its all still far too early to tell, who knows what will happen, but WWE need to have their Wrestlemania Direction sorted after summerslam/Survivor series
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:36 PM   #326 (permalink)
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I agree ^^^! I honestly just dont see Lesnar putting on a good match, even at Mania. Dont get me wrong he could suprise us but the fact is Taker doesnt have many more Manias to go, PROBABLY.. I could be wrong, but I dont see him sticking around for many years to come.. Why run the risk of wasting a WM match for Taker with Brock? I dont think they like each other anyway.. Just seems like too many risks to take with that. On paper, it sounds perfect. Lesnar, the invader who doesnt care about the company, really doesnt care about anything.. Taker, the legend who is undefeated at Mania and is a true company man, the Last Outlaw. But then you have the predictability. No chance in hell Vince, or even Taker, would even think for 10 seconds about letting Brock end it.

Cena/Taker is huge and HAS to happen, WILL happen, before Taker is gone. I dont know who is left to face Taker after Cena. I mean there are some guys but none of them would seem like a serious threat. Id love to see a Kane/Taker Mania, maybe even has Taker's last, but unless they build Kane up for a year or two to come, it may not go over so great with the crowds. Glen wouldnt agree to end the streak though, that is a given fact, so for us fans who are knowledgable about the business and superstars, it'd be predictable.. I honestly think Cena/Taker is the only Mania match left for Taker that wouldnt be predictable at all. I, like millions, would be on the edgeeeeee of my seat, going nuts, probably sweating, filled with anxiety and suspense, marking out like a damn 14 year old kid in the Att Era after every near fall. It would truly be entertaining, as long as they didnt make a monumental fuck up and let John fucking Cena end it.
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Old 06-15-2012, 03:27 PM   #327 (permalink)
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I really hope Cena never ends the streak. I honestly dont think he will, but I think it will be close... Cena/Taker would be an epic match, HUGE moneymaker, and finally there would be a 100% legit threat to the streak and most people would seriously be in suspense...

I think they have the potential to put on a match for the history books.. But i'd wanna see COUNTERS not just kickouts. I dont know how physically able Taker would be to counter certain moves but I remember Brock/Taker HIAC when Brock countered tombstone, that was WILD..

Whats Cenas finisher he does when he runs from rope to rope? AA, FU?? Imagine, Cena going for it, after Taker has been MAULED and BATTERED... Fans go nuts cause it looks like it could SERIOUSly be the END.. Taker SITS UP ALL FAST with that otherworldly look in his eyes... Gets up and chokeslams Cena... Then goes for the tombstone, but CENA COUNTERS into the FU or whatever move he does with opp on his shoulders.. TAKER counters and maybe it could happen a couple times in a row to really get the crowd goings nuts... Finally one of the two hit their finishers but the other KICKS OUT AGAIN!!!!!!!! O my god it could be the biggest pop ever and ever to be...

Now I know Taker cant exactly do acrobats in the ring no more but some nice counters would be nice and suspenseful instead of just 10 kickouts.
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Old 06-17-2012, 10:31 AM   #328 (permalink)
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I honestly think Cena is the only guy where fans might say "oh shit, taker might lose" everyone else on the roster would be predictible. Possibly Punk aswell but tahts about it.
yes heel or a face only cena has what it takes to make fans say"holy s##t taker's streak is done" thus making it a must see match and fans say other than him only lesnar and rock have the creadibility to make the fans say the same but thats not really the case
lets say its lesnar vs taker and i don't see wwe giving their most prestigous(spelling) thing to a traitor and specially if it happend at wm29(the day lesnar leaves,AGAIN) there is absoulutly no chance in hell he would defeat taker
now rock vs taker,rock has a little edge and creadibiity over lesnar specially his win against cena it may seem like he can get the win coz if u can win against cena clean there is a hell of a chance for u to take the streak with you but what is bothering me here are those best of three matches b/w him and cena than can and will lead to a cena 2-1 rock thus making him less credible again and also taking into account that if company won't let any of their top 3 right now cena,orton(originally planned winner of the streak) and punk then i don't see them let a past legend do it.
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Old 06-18-2012, 01:13 AM   #329 (permalink)
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I honestly think that The Streak could end at WrestleMania XXIX. The Undertaker has now reached the milestone of 20-0. WWE is even releasing a DVD on it, compiling all of the matches together and giving it the documentary treatment. Yeah, they wanted to release that because of the perfect 20-0 number, but I also think it's because Taker is near retirement and will lose his final WrestleMania match. If Taker loses at WrestleMania now, it won't harm him or his career at all. He will still go out as one of the biggest stars of all time and he will have gone twenty WrestleMania events in a row without losing. That accomplishment will stand on it's own. Besides, WrestleMania XXVIII was the "End of an Era" for more than one reason.

Personally, I wouldn't be upset if Taker retired undefeated, but I also feel like it would be a huge waste and missed opportunity to not allow someone to snap The Streak and have that epic moment. As for who should do it, I have no idea, but if it's a young guy, that would instantly make a star for WWE in a time when they desperately need some stars. Like I said, I'd be alright with Undertaker going out at 20-0 or even 21-0, but I just feel like if he does, WWE will always wonder "what if"? They'll only get one crack at this.
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I honestly think that The Streak could end at WrestleMania XXIX. The Undertaker has now reached the milestone of 20-0. WWE is even releasing a DVD on it, compiling all of the matches together and giving it the documentary treatment. Yeah, they wanted to release that because of the perfect 20-0 number, but I also think it's because Taker is near retirement and will lose his final WrestleMania match. If Taker loses at WrestleMania now, it won't harm him or his career at all. He will still go out as one of the biggest stars of all time and he will have gone twenty WrestleMania events in a row without losing. That accomplishment will stand on it's own. Besides, WrestleMania XXVIII was the "End of an Era" for more than one reason.

Personally, I wouldn't be upset if Taker retired undefeated, but I also feel like it would be a huge waste and missed opportunity to not allow someone to snap The Streak and have that epic moment. As for who should do it, I have no idea, but if it's a young guy, that would instantly make a star for WWE in a time when they desperately need some stars. Like I said, I'd be alright with Undertaker going out at 20-0 or even 21-0, but I just feel like if he does, WWE will always wonder "what if"? They'll only get one crack at this.
WWE also released 15-0 DVD before Wrestlemania 24, but Edge didn't end The Streak at WM 24.
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