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After thinking about it I think the whole idea of losing the streak to an upcoming star is kinda stupid.. I mean think about it... What if all that happened and the "upcoming star" got injured or something, retired early ( kinda like Edge you might say ).. They need to be extremely careful with this.. Look at the possible outcome. Taker loses, retires, the upcoming star gets a huge push and has immortality after that.. What if they retired early, suffered a huge injury, ended up being booked wrong or something.. I mean it could really happen folks..

Maybe im rambling but ive just always hoped, for years actually, that Taker would hang it up on a win. I mean if you think about it, ( unless they try and book it to where Taker would vanish or some dumb supernatural type shit since he is the " Deadman" ) imagine the reaction and atmosphere after the bell has rang and Taker is getting up.. If he didnt have a retirement speech it might not come off so awkward, but if he did... Hell I dont know. HBK lost to Taker and had his speech.. It was sad and all but it was epic..

There's just so much to discuss when it comes to that. Its one of those things, anything we say or do wont change the outcome.. Might as well wait and enjoy the years to come and just see how Taker decides to go out.

But there's still one side of me that thinks they will try and hype it up in a huge way and really cement the fact that Taker has lost the streak and he is DONE.. Like really try and push the fact that he is done on us.. If he won his last match it would just seem so weird every year when he doesnt return, the bells dont start tolling.. It would seem, even though he'd be retired, like the door is still open.. Kinda like unfinished business left..

I wont really be worried until they start really really hyping up a future Taker match at mania.. The more they hype it the more i'll be worried. This year it just seemed so certain he would win for me.. I had my doubts especially with HBK being involved but I figured he would get to 20-0 and then go from there..

ONE MORE THING... Look at the other legends who fought Taker in the past years, and couldnt end the streak.. So many of them.. HHH/HBK, you name em.. They couldn't do it, not cleanly. Why would they want to let some upcoming star, or someone like Cena do it? Then, it sort of would tarnish some of the legacy these other guys have built, like HBK/HHH...
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. No offense but I think some of you are using the whole "Cena doesn't need it","If HHH and HBK couldn't do it then nobody should", and the whole "up and coming" arguments as a cop out because you don't want to see the streak end. First of all and no disrespect to HHH and HBK, John Cena is already a bigger name then both HHH and HBK and he is only going to get bigger. Those two failing to end it and Cena succeeding is completely acceptable. Plus, I trust Cena more than some young upstart who might pull a Rock or Brock. Yeah, Cena lost to Rock last year, but that does not mean he can't defeat the Undertaker. He has about two more years to become a threat to the streak and he already is anyway. Cena just entered his prime, and Taker is in his twilight.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. No offense but I think some of you are using the whole "Cena doesn't need it","If HHH and HBK couldn't do it then nobody should", and the whole "up and coming" arguments as a cop out because you don't want to see the streak end. First of all and no disrespect to HHH and HBK, John Cena is already a bigger name then both HHH and HBK and he is only going to get bigger. Those two failing to end it and Cena succeeding is completely acceptable. Plus, I trust Cena more than some young upstart who might pull a Rock or Brock. Yeah, Cena lost to Rock last year, but that does not mean he can't defeat the Undertaker. He has about two more years to become a threat to the streak and he already is anyway. Cena just entered his prime, and Taker is in his twilight.
It's not about excuses or anything. I just don't think the streak should ever end. Cena is definitely one of the better choices (as a heel, anyways) if it has to end but it's reached a point where Undertaker's legacy is synonymous with the streak and if he loses it, that only takes away from his legacy and downplay his importance in retrospect. I just don't think the streak should end. And all that crap about "young guys" can go to hell. The furthest I'd accept is them putting on one hell of a match and doing absolutely everything they possibly can but still come short. That way some new face can get over and earn the fans' respect. Taker has kicked out of PILEDRIVERS and finisher combos (Pedigree + Sweet Chin Music), there's no way in hell anyone can buy into a basic finisher like the FU ending the streak.

I still can't understand why you think everyone here has some vendetta against Cena. You exaggerate the Cena hate as if you are Vince or Cena's father. Lastly, what the fuck do you mean by "pulling a Rock"? I can understand mentioning Brock as he basically walked out after being handed everything but Rock just had nothing left to do and leaving was the best thing he could do. If he had stayed, he would just gotten hated by the fans with that "stop hogging the spotlight" shit many often pull out.
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Choke2Death, that was a great post. That being said (and I'm not trying to be a dick), I still believe the streak should end within the next two years. It is a tradition for a wrestlers to go out on their backs and Taker is no exception and I think he would even agree. If he has his last at a Wrestlemania, he should lose to a worthy opponent. If he decides to hang em up at another payperview (Survivor Series?) then by all means keep the streak intact for all I care. But I honestly believe that his streak will end because it would likely be at Wrestlemania. Which is probably what he wants. We can agree on one thing though: A match against Cena would be so nerve recking that some fans would probably pass out after every near fall. Regardless of who would win, it would still be great to see.
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Yes, definitely. I'd LOVE to see Cena/Taker at WM. It's the one big match that NEEDS to happen. They've had plenty of opportunities to let them go at it but for some reason, they've kept them away from each other which is bullshit. But yeah, the constant nearfalls would definitely give me the chills and every nearfall would be exciting. But even better if they would make it an "I Quit" match with a heel Cena claiming that he never gives up but in the end quits. It has to happen, either next year at WM29 or best of all, in WM30.

And I don't think anyone is willing to end the streak, even if Taker lets them, they will probably reject the idea. Randy Orton was originally planned to end it but he rejected the opportunity out of respect. Nobody is willing to take that step because they will be met with a lot of backlash.
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LOL. I find it funny to read your posts.. Especially regarding Cena ending the streak. Its not gonna happen. Period. So, whenever the time coes that they DO fight, when its all said and done and were posting reviews on here, ill remind you of me saying this on the night of June 9th, 2012.
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But he and Angle already had their match at No Way Out and it was great. Benoit was doing absolutely nothing and in a meaningless US title match against JBL. Now if he had taken on the streak, things would have been a lot more interesting.
that's why I said the Angle match shouldn't have been done at No Way Out.

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And it's not like anyone could guess that Benoit would die the way he did the year after and Vince wouldn't erase that because history cannot be changed. He would just avoid mentioning it, is all. But the number wouldn't be subtracted by one just because he tries to avoid mentioning one of Taker's victims.
If Vince was willing to erase every single Benoit match including Awrestlemania XX main event, I don't see why he wouldn't be willing to do so to a Wrestlemania 22 match.

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But no one does that[/b], so he shouldn't feel like he has anything left. Remember, HHH said he only has the streak left to finish and in the end he didn't do it despite "dying trying".
Which is why he can make it his mission to do so.

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After thinking about it I think the whole idea of losing the streak to an upcoming star is kinda stupid.. I mean think about it... What if all that happened and the "upcoming star" got injured or something, retired early ( kinda like Edge you might say ).. They need to be extremely careful with this.. Look at the possible outcome. Taker loses, retires, the upcoming star gets a huge push and has immortality after that.. What if they retired early, suffered a huge injury, ended up being booked wrong or something.. I mean it could really happen folks..

Maybe im rambling but ive just always hoped, for years actually, that Taker would hang it up on a win. I mean if you think about it, ( unless they try and book it to where Taker would vanish or some dumb supernatural type shit since he is the " Deadman" ) imagine the reaction and atmosphere after the bell has rang and Taker is getting up.. If he didnt have a retirement speech it might not come off so awkward, but if he did... Hell I dont know. HBK lost to Taker and had his speech.. It was sad and all but it was epic..

There's just so much to discuss when it comes to that. Its one of those things, anything we say or do wont change the outcome.. Might as well wait and enjoy the years to come and just see how Taker decides to go out.

But there's still one side of me that thinks they will try and hype it up in a huge way and really cement the fact that Taker has lost the streak and he is DONE.. Like really try and push the fact that he is done on us.. If he won his last match it would just seem so weird every year when he doesnt return, the bells dont start tolling.. It would seem, even though he'd be retired, like the door is still open.. Kinda like unfinished business left..

I wont really be worried until they start really really hyping up a future Taker match at mania.. The more they hype it the more i'll be worried. This year it just seemed so certain he would win for me.. I had my doubts especially with HBK being involved but I figured he would get to 20-0 and then go from there..

ONE MORE THING... Look at the other legends who fought Taker in the past years, and couldnt end the streak.. So many of them.. HHH/HBK, you name em.. They couldn't do it, not cleanly. Why would they want to let some upcoming star, or someone like Cena do it? Then, it sort of would tarnish some of the legacy these other guys have built, like HBK/HHH...


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It's not about excuses or anything. I just don't think the streak should ever end. Cena is definitely one of the better choices (as a heel, anyways) if it has to end but it's reached a point where Undertaker's legacy is synonymous with the streak and if he loses it, that only takes away from his legacy and downplay his importance in retrospect. I just don't think the streak should end. And all that crap about "young guys" can go to hell. The furthest I'd accept is them putting on one hell of a match and doing absolutely everything they possibly can but still come short. That way some new face can get over and earn the fans' respect. Taker has kicked out of PILEDRIVERS and finisher combos (Pedigree + Sweet Chin Music), there's no way in hell anyone can buy into a basic finisher like the FU ending the streak.

I still can't understand why you think everyone here has some vendetta against Cena. You exaggerate the Cena hate as if you are Vince or Cena's father. Lastly, what the fuck do you mean by "pulling a Rock"? I can understand mentioning Brock as he basically walked out after being handed everything but Rock just had nothing left to do and leaving was the best thing he could do. If he had stayed, he would just gotten hated by the fans with that "stop hogging the spotlight" shit many often pull out.


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Choke2Death, that was a great post. That being said (and I'm not trying to be a dick), I still believe the streak should end within the next two years. It is a tradition for a wrestlers to go out on their backs and Taker is no exception and I think he would even agree. If he has his last at a Wrestlemania, he should lose to a worthy opponent. If he decides to hang em up at another payperview (Survivor Series?) then by all means keep the streak intact for all I care. But I honestly believe that his streak will end because it would likely be at Wrestlemania. Which is probably what he wants. We can agree on one thing though: A match against Cena would be so nerve recking that some fans would probably pass out after every near fall. Regardless of who would win, it would still be great to see.
Edge, Goldberg, Trish, and Warrior say hello.

If they can go out with a win, don't see why Taker can't.

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Yes, definitely. I'd LOVE to see Cena/Taker at WM. It's the one big match that NEEDS to happen. They've had plenty of opportunities to let them go at it but for some reason, they've kept them away from each other which is bullshit. But yeah, the constant nearfalls would definitely give me the chills and every nearfall would be exciting. But even better if they would make it an "I Quit" match with a heel Cena claiming that he never gives up but in the end quits. It has to happen, either next year at WM29 or best of all, in WM30.
I think that would be a bad idea, because Taker's last 4 Wrestlemania matches really relied on in-ring psychology achieved through making the crowds believe The Streak could end in any way or form anytime. I Quit will eliminate every possibility but doing surrendering, which will hurt the in-ring psychology. So, it's best to let Cena/Taker be a normal 1 on 1 match.

Imagine if, after battling for 40+ minutes, The Undertaker is about to give Cena his third Tombstone (let's say Taker has hit 2 Tombstone but Cena kicked out both times whereas Cena have also hit 3 FU only for Taker to kicked out every time), but then Cena reverses the Tombstone Piledriver and gives The Undertaker a taste of his own Tombstone Piledriver before covering for the pin. Whether he wins that match or not, the reaction from the crowds will be otherworldly cause there's a definite chance of Taker not kicking out, which means even if he does kick out the reaction will be even louder. That can happen only when the crowd knows The Streak can end anytime. Otherwise, they would probably sit on their laps cause they know that surprise move won't do sh*t.

Lastly, I'm not trying to compare the quality, but the crowds reaction. Matches that rely on in-ring psychology like Rock/Hogan at WM 18 and Taker/HBK at WM 25 ALWAYS received better crowds reaction that I Quit Matches like Bret/Austin at WM 13 or Rock/Mankind.

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And I don't think anyone is willing to end the streak, even if Taker lets them, they will probably reject the idea. Randy Orton was originally planned to end it but he rejected the opportunity out of respect. Nobody is willing to take that step because they will be met with a lot of backlash.
Well, I think some of them were/are willing. I mean, I'm sure Lesnar is willing if he were given the right to decide, but it's just Vince, and now Steph & HHH too, will never let The Streak end to anyone due to business reason.

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I really hope Cena never ends the streak. I honestly dont think he will, but I think it will be close... Cena/Taker would be an epic match, HUGE moneymaker, and finally there would be a 100% legit threat to the streak and most people would seriously be in suspense...

I think they have the potential to put on a match for the history books.. But i'd wanna see COUNTERS not just kickouts. I dont know how physically able Taker would be to counter certain moves but I remember Brock/Taker HIAC when Brock countered tombstone, that was WILD..

Whats Cenas finisher he does when he runs from rope to rope? AA, FU?? Imagine, Cena going for it, after Taker has been MAULED and BATTERED... Fans go nuts cause it looks like it could SERIOUSly be the END.. Taker SITS UP ALL FAST with that otherworldly look in his eyes... Gets up and chokeslams Cena... Then goes for the tombstone, but CENA COUNTERS into the FU or whatever move he does with opp on his shoulders.. TAKER counters and maybe it could happen a couple times in a row to really get the crowd goings nuts... Finally one of the two hit their finishers but the other KICKS OUT AGAIN!!!!!!!! O my god it could be the biggest pop ever and ever to be...

Now I know Taker cant exactly do acrobats in the ring no more but some nice counters would be nice and suspenseful instead of just 10 kickouts.
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