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The only people buying that nonsense is little kids and marks. Anyone with a brain now sees it as Lesnar has already been defeated so he's no longer a threat to anyone especially Undertaker's WM streak.

It doesn't matter how bad Cena got beat down the only thing that mattered was that Cena won the match. It's Vince McMahon living in his wrestling bubble again.
Guess I don't have a brain then, because I thought Lesnar looked like a beast in that match and I am struggling to envisage anyone beating him without a lucky cheap-shot from a weapon

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Here's the other problem with that... and I mentioned it already, but what happens after Mania?

The WWE Title gets that big special attraction, but where do they go with it after WM? Just vacate it? First of all it makes whoever wins it not feel anywhere near the level of Rock/Lesnar. It's just something where whoever wins it won't feel like the true champion and the WWE Title will just fall back down to the level it's at now. If Rock/Punk for example happened, and Punk beat Rock, it would be a huge match, would put the WWE Title in the spotlight and make it feel important again AND (and this is the part missing from Lesnar/Rock) it will continue to be very important as a current guy is holding the title.

If Rock stayed with the WWE for a few months and then lost the title to someone, then I'd be fine with Rock/Lesnar being for the title. If he just wins it just to vacate it... well... it's just a temporary solution to a permanent problem. And since Rock more than likely won't be sticking around past Mania, that creates a lose-lose situation if Brock/Rock happens whether for the title or not. If for the title, the problems are listed above. If not for the title, as you mentioned, the WWE Title once again feels lost in the shuffle and not as important.

This is why I say Rock and Lesnar shouldn't face each other. One of them can be in the high profile streak match, while the other competes in the title feud and puts over whoever they face... putting over the superstar and title. And as I said, since Rock said he was basically going after the WWE Title on his return, it makes sense for him to do that, while Lesnar faces Taker for the streak.

And in order for the streak match to work, Lesnar needs to destroy HHH and actually WIN the match, as well as any other matches he has. His loss to Cena hurt his credibility, but it's not damaged beyond repair and if they do with Lesnar what they should've done in the first place, that loss will seem like a far away nightmare.
If The Rock wins the title at WrestleMania I'm almost positive he'd love to stick around and put over a younger guy.
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While that would be amazing, where would that leave Cena? It seems like there is no other option for Cena than facing Undertaker. I guess facing Orton or Punk is possible but Cena/Taker just seems like the best way to go.
It is the best way to go but it is such a big, money making match that it woudl be best to leave it for Wrestlemania 30, the biggest stage of them all. Though I do agree that if Brock and Taker face one another, Cena is left with no new opponents, only people he has beaten or faced before which would be boring - Orton/Punk/HHH etc.

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Guess I don't have a brain then, because I thought Lesnar looked like a beast in that match and I am struggling to envisage anyone beating him without a lucky cheap-shot from a weapon
But the WWE didn't even acknowledge that. Cena's arm was in a sling for only one week. They didn't acknowledge that Cena needed a weapon and got lucky. The best thing in that situation would have been for Cena to say the next night "if it wasn't for me finding that steel chain outside the ring and being in the right position and the right time I wouldn't be standing here right now. I'd be in a hospital.".

But they didn't do anything like that. All people see Lesnar as right now is a bully. He's another average wrestler on the roster instead of a UFC/MMA ass kicking machine.
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.

He's doing another Wrestlemania? The man literary has nothing more to prove about anything both personally and his character.
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If The Rock wins the title at WrestleMania I'm almost positive he'd love to stick around and put over a younger guy.
It's exactly what should happen, but I don't see any indication that he'll stay past WM next year. Of course, WM is still 10 months away and who knows what will happen by then, but I'm not holding my breath on anything.

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Here's the other problem with that... and I mentioned it already, but what happens after Mania?

The WWE Title gets that big special attraction, but where do they go with it after WM? Just vacate it? First of all it makes whoever wins it not feel anywhere near the level of Rock/Lesnar. It's just something where whoever wins it won't feel like the true champion and the WWE Title will just fall back down to the level it's at now. If Rock/Punk for example happened, and Punk beat Rock, it would be a huge match, would put the WWE Title in the spotlight and make it feel important again AND (and this is the part missing from Lesnar/Rock) it will continue to be very important as a current guy is holding the title.

If Rock stayed with the WWE for a few months and then lost the title to someone, then I'd be fine with Rock/Lesnar being for the title. If he just wins it just to vacate it... well... it's just a temporary solution to a permanent problem. And since Rock more than likely won't be sticking around past Mania, that creates a lose-lose situation if Brock/Rock happens whether for the title or not. If for the title, the problems are listed above. If not for the title, as you mentioned, the WWE Title once again feels lost in the shuffle and not as important.

This is why I say Rock and Lesnar shouldn't face each other. One of them can be in the high profile streak match, while the other competes in the title feud and puts over whoever they face... putting over the superstar and title. And as I said, since Rock said he was basically going after the WWE Title on his return, it makes sense for him to do that, while Lesnar faces Taker for the streak.

And in order for the streak match to work, Lesnar needs to destroy HHH and actually WIN the match, as well as any other matches he has. His loss to Cena hurt his credibility, but it's not damaged beyond repair and if they do with Lesnar what they should've done in the first place, that loss will seem like a far away nightmare.

Rock or Brock could defend the title on the Raw following Mania and drop it there. Or depending on how long their committments are with the company can drop it a couple of weeks later on Raw or Extreme Rules. A MITB cash-in could come into the equation. The title doesn't have to be vacated if either man walks out of MetLife Stadium with the championship.

I agree Lesnar needs to be the unstoppable war machine he was built up as before Cena pinned him and when he broke HHH's arm. I'm cool with a Lesnar/Taker match but Brock should do some serious damage to some top guys before that Streak match takes place.


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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.

Taker/Lesnar
Cena/Rock II

Double main event, looks good to me

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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.

i dont get the appeal of this match when #1....lesnar just lost to cena clean

and #2 ...there is no way in hell undertaker would lose to lesnar who isnt a full time wrestler .

yeah it would be a cool match but knowing the outcome 100% in advance and the shitty booking wwe did with lesnar kind of ruins the appeal in my eyes

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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.

Here's what should have happened:

Lesnar should have beaten Cena at Extreme Rules. He should have gotten everything he demanded and basically take over RAW for the next year leading to WrestleMania. The show should have been renamed RAW Starring Brock Lesnar. He should have gotten McMahon's private jet and come in and out whenever he wanted (which would explain his long absences instead of doing this whole "I Quit" angle). In between you have a couple of people... Triple H definitely the first one try and defend the WWE and take back control from Lesnar. Lesnar comes in after being called out repeatedly from Extreme Rules all the way to around SummerSlam. Lesnar finally shows up and accepts Triple H's challenge. Then you have Lesnar destroy Triple H and leave again. He can appear every now and then to still show he's in charge. In fact maybe they could have gotten more dates out of him by doing pre-taped promos to air on other shows. He could be back at his farm in Minnesota and on the phone making requests and telling Laurinitis what to do.

Then around the build to WrestleMania you have the fans give up hope that Lesnar will be stopped until Undertaker makes his return. Have an entire show dedicated to Lesnar and call it a Lesnar appreciation night with a huge celebration all built around Lesnar with him making a speech at the end. He says he'd love to compete at WrestleMania but there's no one that can go with him. Then you have the lights go off and Undertaker's theme song starts. The fans erupt. Undertaker walks down to the ramp and looks at Lesnar and then looks at the WrestleMania sign as the show goes off the air.

For the next several weeks you have Lesnar try and dodge the challenge. He says he's not doing it but have Undertaker play mind games with him until Lesnar has no choice but to accept. Then you have Undertaker beat him at WrestleMania.

It would be more than just the streak on the line it would be Undertaker being the only one able to defend the WWE against Lesnar.

But it's too late. They'd have to go and make Lesnar an absolute beast again for this match to have any feeling of importance. They blew it by having Lesnar lose.
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