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05-30-2012, 11:54 PM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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Then they would have to have a rematch with no rules the following year. 
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yes they would. But of course Lesnar ain't staying in WWE.
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05-30-2012, 11:57 PM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
I hope this doesn't mean we're getting Cena-Rock 2. I'd personally love to see Punk vs. Rock for the title, but whatever.
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05-31-2012, 12:02 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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If they don't have Brock/Rock for the title then they would have to negate Rock's promise of aiming for that goal which some casual would probably forget anyway unless reminded. If it's non-title WM29 will just be another show with main events that are bigger than the title match and will receive more build and attention. The WWE Title needs more relevance on the grand stage and having Rock/Brock fight for it could give it that attention. Although Brock/Rock don't need the extra attraction/element but maybe the WWE title needs it.
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Here's the other problem with that... and I mentioned it already, but what happens after Mania?
The WWE Title gets that big special attraction, but where do they go with it after WM? Just vacate it? First of all it makes whoever wins it not feel anywhere near the level of Rock/Lesnar. It's just something where whoever wins it won't feel like the true champion and the WWE Title will just fall back down to the level it's at now. If Rock/Punk for example happened, and Punk beat Rock, it would be a huge match, would put the WWE Title in the spotlight and make it feel important again AND (and this is the part missing from Lesnar/Rock) it will continue to be very important as a current guy is holding the title.
If Rock stayed with the WWE for a few months and then lost the title to someone, then I'd be fine with Rock/Lesnar being for the title. If he just wins it just to vacate it... well... it's just a temporary solution to a permanent problem. And since Rock more than likely won't be sticking around past Mania, that creates a lose-lose situation if Brock/Rock happens whether for the title or not. If for the title, the problems are listed above. If not for the title, as you mentioned, the WWE Title once again feels lost in the shuffle and not as important.
This is why I say Rock and Lesnar shouldn't face each other. One of them can be in the high profile streak match, while the other competes in the title feud and puts over whoever they face... putting over the superstar and title. And as I said, since Rock said he was basically going after the WWE Title on his return, it makes sense for him to do that, while Lesnar faces Taker for the streak.
And in order for the streak match to work, Lesnar needs to destroy HHH and actually WIN the match, as well as any other matches he has. His loss to Cena hurt his credibility, but it's not damaged beyond repair and if they do with Lesnar what they should've done in the first place, that loss will seem like a far away nightmare.
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05-31-2012, 12:03 AM
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Braden Walker
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
Everyone needs to chill right now. This is EARLY plans and this is Vince McMahon we're talking about who changes his mind more than anyone. I'm sure by the time they actually start building to WrestleMania it will most likely be The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar for the title and Cena vs. Undertaker.
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05-31-2012, 12:03 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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The only people buying that nonsense is little kids and marks. Anyone with a brain now sees it as Lesnar has already been defeated so he's no longer a threat to anyone especially Undertaker's WM streak.
It doesn't matter how bad Cena got beat down the only thing that mattered was that Cena won the match. It's Vince McMahon living in his wrestling bubble again.
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Guess I don't have a brain then, because I thought Lesnar looked like a beast in that match and I am struggling to envisage anyone beating him without a lucky cheap-shot from a weapon
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05-31-2012, 12:04 AM
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Braden Walker
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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Here's the other problem with that... and I mentioned it already, but what happens after Mania?
The WWE Title gets that big special attraction, but where do they go with it after WM? Just vacate it? First of all it makes whoever wins it not feel anywhere near the level of Rock/Lesnar. It's just something where whoever wins it won't feel like the true champion and the WWE Title will just fall back down to the level it's at now. If Rock/Punk for example happened, and Punk beat Rock, it would be a huge match, would put the WWE Title in the spotlight and make it feel important again AND (and this is the part missing from Lesnar/Rock) it will continue to be very important as a current guy is holding the title.
If Rock stayed with the WWE for a few months and then lost the title to someone, then I'd be fine with Rock/Lesnar being for the title. If he just wins it just to vacate it... well... it's just a temporary solution to a permanent problem. And since Rock more than likely won't be sticking around past Mania, that creates a lose-lose situation if Brock/Rock happens whether for the title or not. If for the title, the problems are listed above. If not for the title, as you mentioned, the WWE Title once again feels lost in the shuffle and not as important.
This is why I say Rock and Lesnar shouldn't face each other. One of them can be in the high profile streak match, while the other competes in the title feud and puts over whoever they face... putting over the superstar and title. And as I said, since Rock said he was basically going after the WWE Title on his return, it makes sense for him to do that, while Lesnar faces Taker for the streak.
And in order for the streak match to work, Lesnar needs to destroy HHH and actually WIN the match, as well as any other matches he has. His loss to Cena hurt his credibility, but it's not damaged beyond repair and if they do with Lesnar what they should've done in the first place, that loss will seem like a far away nightmare.
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If The Rock wins the title at WrestleMania I'm almost positive he'd love to stick around and put over a younger guy.
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05-31-2012, 12:05 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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While that would be amazing, where would that leave Cena? It seems like there is no other option for Cena than facing Undertaker. I guess facing Orton or Punk is possible but Cena/Taker just seems like the best way to go.
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It is the best way to go but it is such a big, money making match that it woudl be best to leave it for Wrestlemania 30, the biggest stage of them all. Though I do agree that if Brock and Taker face one another, Cena is left with no new opponents, only people he has beaten or faced before which would be boring - Orton/Punk/HHH etc.
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05-31-2012, 12:06 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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Guess I don't have a brain then, because I thought Lesnar looked like a beast in that match and I am struggling to envisage anyone beating him without a lucky cheap-shot from a weapon
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But the WWE didn't even acknowledge that. Cena's arm was in a sling for only one week. They didn't acknowledge that Cena needed a weapon and got lucky. The best thing in that situation would have been for Cena to say the next night "if it wasn't for me finding that steel chain outside the ring and being in the right position and the right time I wouldn't be standing here right now. I'd be in a hospital.".
But they didn't do anything like that. All people see Lesnar as right now is a bully. He's another average wrestler on the roster instead of a UFC/MMA ass kicking machine.
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05-31-2012, 12:07 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
He's doing another Wrestlemania? The man literary has nothing more to prove about anything both personally and his character.
But hey Im not complaining.
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05-31-2012, 12:08 AM
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Re: Report: Current plans for The Undertaker's opponent at WrestleMania 29.
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If The Rock wins the title at WrestleMania I'm almost positive he'd love to stick around and put over a younger guy.
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It's exactly what should happen, but I don't see any indication that he'll stay past WM next year. Of course, WM is still 10 months away and who knows what will happen by then, but I'm not holding my breath on anything.
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