Originally Posted by ashes11
Just an impression I'm getting, a lot of people I see, use the early matches of the streak to diminish the career of the Undertaker, it's like people forget that he has a career outside the streak.
I think the stupidest part is labeling any victim of The Streak pre-Triple H as jobbers. I mean, holy shit, Jimmy Snuka, Jake Roberts, Diesel, King Kong Bundy, Sid, and Kane are jobbers? LMAO.
Originally Posted by bigdog40
Exactly, Undertaker had a successful career even without the streak. The streak is nothing more than just a sell and it wasn't even planned, it just happened. What about what the Undertaker has contributed to the WWE. Arguably the greatest gimmick of all time. An innovator, his matches with Mick Foley. His performance in the very first Hell in a Cell match. He had matches that went along with his character.
Maybe it also has something to do that, as The Streak grows, The Undertaker's greatest matches and feuds almost all happened inside The Streak so anything that stays outside The Streak is being overshadowed by the seemingly otherworldly presence of The Streak.
I know some people (newer fans) who actually remember Taker's feud with Henry but has no idea Taker ever feuded with Mankind. Know the reason? Henry's in The Streak, Mankind is not. So there u go.
BTW, it's planned. Just listen to Vince's commentary at WM 11 when The Undertaker was making his entrance.
Originally Posted by murder
Almost non-existent? We had the whole 02-21-11 vignettes creating a buzz very few returns have had. Those lead to the awesome returns of Taker and Hunter in the great "non-talking" segment. Then the promo including HBK in Chicago. Basically this match was one year in the making with HBKs retirement angle.
So much great stuff and all those things were much better and much more original than any Cole/Lawler angle.
WWE even considered to close mania with Hunter/Taker. That's how big and important this feud/match was. After Mania it was clear that this was the real main event because this match had by far the most heat.
How many times the vignette were mentioned after Taker/HHH returned?
How many times they actually met in the ring face to face to confront each other?
How many times you see the announcers recalling their feuds like they did to Lawler/Cole & Rock/Cena?
Their WM 17 build was cool because it went physical and WM 28 build was cool because they involved Shawn Michaels to end the 4 years saga. Face it here, their WM 27 build, if there was even any, was invisible. Their WM 17 & 28 build were far stronger with ACTUAL and OFTEN confrontations, verbally or physically.
And the WM 27 match now is becoming vastly overrated. How the hell people mention it as if it's in the top 10 Undertaker's greatest match ever while they just lay there half of the time, on contrary of the REAL brutality they brought at WM 17 & 28. While it's true their WM 27 match the best match of the night, at best it was a decent match. Taker's top 10 WM match has no place for it, let alone Taker's 10 greatest match.