[El_Absoluto]

If Vince and family are stuborn on having Rock vs Cena headlining WM at least make it a triple threat by adding Punk or Lesnar.

Having a back to back rematch headlining is fucking retarded. And if you add Lesnar vs HHH 2 its just ludicrous.

[alliance]

punk doesnt look like he stands a chance against Taker, Man guys like Cena Rock and Austin look like adults compared to punk..punk seems more like dennis the menace..

[THANOS]

I'm still not convinced that WWE didn't come to agreement with Austin. If Austin is onboard then I 100% guarantee with membership on the line, that Punk/Austin mainevents the ppv with austin putting Punk over. In a state like New York, the crowd is going to be insane, plus being wrestlemania, I guarantee that the crowd gives the Punk/Austin match even more noise than Rock/Cena which will justify it closing out the show.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Originally Posted by Oliver-94

Come on Tyrion, how do you know big matches are already set? Plans can and will change between now and the royal rumble. You never know. I just have a feeling that Brian Maddox will interfere and cost Rock the championship. His backstage segments with Heyman are leading to something IMO. You cannot be 100% sure that Rock is winning the title.

You think BRAD MADDOX, the geek of all geeks is going to cost Rock the title in a major PPV title bout? If Maddox tries to interfere, Rock will knock his ass out and that will be the end of it. The only chance for interference is Brock Lesnar, which is unlikely because Brock is working with Triple H, not Rock.

Besides, the idea of Rock winning the title in the Elimination Chamber instead of the Rumble has been discussed, but the idea of Rock not winning the title, PERIOD, has not been discussed. He's going to win the title, and one way or the other, it will be Rock vs Cena at Mania and Undertaker vs Punk. Even if Punk retained until Mania, it's STILL Undertaker vs Punk, and it's STILL a midcard match. There's no way around it, Punk is getting screwed no matter what. Meltzer and every other credible source has confirmed the projection of Mania for the top 3 matches for months now.

I'm still not convinced that WWE didn't come to agreement with Austin. If Austin is onboard then I 100% guarantee with membership on the line, that Punk/Austin mainevents the ppv with austin putting Punk over. In a state like New York, the crowd is going to be insane, plus being wrestlemania, I guarantee that the crowd gives the Punk/Austin match even more noise than Rock/Cena which will justify it closing out the show.

Then you'll lose. On both counts, the main event and Punk winning. Heels never win the main event of WrestleMania, and Austin won't come back to job, nor will WWE have enough respect for Austin or Punk to put them ahead of Rock and Cena.

[CM Punk Is A God]

That would be great, I would love to see Taker vs. Punk.. He should go over Rock at the Royal Rumble and looses the Title in the Chamber match so he looks stronger going into his match with Taker

There's no chance the Undertaker's streak get's broken though.. If it was to end, Punk should be the guy to end it.

[SinJackal]

Originally Posted by Izual_Rebirth

I assumed the Braddox backstage segments are more to do with him blackmailing Heyman because he asked him to screw Ryback at HIAC.

Anyway I'm against Tyrion. Even after this long as Champ Punk still isn't at the level, imo, to start putting other people over. He's not that big a draw on his own and his best work has always come against other "big stars" who can act as the star power. As such him vs Taker is perfect.

One of the main reasons for getting people over, like Punk and his long streak, is to have him in big matches like his one with Rock and potential matches with guys like Taker, Lesnar, HHH whatever. He's not at the level where he can put other people over and not be weakened by it. If he loses all of a sudden to someone like Bryan it won't be recorded as Bryan being awesome. It'll be recorded as Punk being crap.

And that's exactly why Punk needs to drop the title. If you can't get over as a big megastar after a 400+ day WWE title reign and repeatedly getting put over John Cena, it simply isn't going to happen. Punk's reign is holding the rest of the show down. This whole, "Punk's image will be damage if he loses" is no excuse for not having him lose. Anyone who loses a title or a match/fued will lose some popularity. It is not unique to CM Punk.

Every time he beats someone, they lose popularity. Except, since Punk's popularity isn't going up, it's just making everyone else, and the show itself, less watchable. Since Punk's popularity isn't going anywhere, there's no point in continue to forcefully push him as some all-time dominant force. It's way past time to give other wrestlers a chance. Punk's reign shouldn't have been even half as long as it is imo. It's gone nowhere.

[THANOS]

Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister

Then you'll lose. On both counts, the main event and Punk winning. Heels never win the main event of WrestleMania, and Austin won't come back to job, nor will WWE have enough respect for Austin or Punk to put them ahead of Rock and Cena.

I have a reason to believe if Austin has been signed that he'll put over Punk. I've heard him on record proposing the idea of putting him over in a similar way that Bret Hart put Austin over, and that was well before the match started becoming more realistic. Since it has, I have read countless articles and "reports" that mention that Austin has already agreed on a finish to put Punk over (now these are dirsheets but that's the only info we got). Also Rock/Cena, Lesnar, etc. Will sell the ppv, and Punk/Austin will be a hit with the crowd in New 'fuckin' York, no matter where it is on the crowd, so of course it could go on last and have just as much crowd support as cena/rock.

[RFalcao]

"What a lack of respect from The Rock to me".

[deadmanwatching]

Originally Posted by Tyrion Lannister

In general because it's a throwaway match second or third from the top. I don't care if it's Undertaker, Brock, Triple H, doesn't matter. Not even Steve Austin. I won't accept anything but Punk vs Rock in the main event. And not what they just call a main event, in the middle of the show, but the actual main event, the closer.

Punk vs Taker for the title is terrible too because you're wasting the longest title reign in 25 years on somebody who's just going to disappear the next night, get no rub from it and then play the disappearing man again for another year. At LEAST it would get Punk the 500 day title reign that he deserves, but there's no way he's holding the title that long. The big matches are already set.



It's not worse for him, it's MUCH better. It's a main event. Jobbing in the main event is better than jobbing in the midcard. I don't care if Punk wins at Mania but he MUST go on last.

Also, I doubt Punk would eat the pin because the whole reason it's Rock and Cena again is because Cena needs to beat ROCK, not Punk. It could happen but that's the whole reason for a rematch.

If you have Punk retain until Mania, you have Rock and Cena somehow getting shots at Mania, together, and then Cena pins Rock, that's PERFECT. You end at 500 days, just a little over, Cena gets his win back on Rock, and you can immediately transition to a Punk vs Cena feud because Punk can say he should still be the champion because Cena pinned Rock, not him. Everybody wins in that scenario, Punk wins because he gets what he deserves, Cena wins because he gets the title and wins the main event, and Rock wins because Rock can't lose because he's Rock and he has more star power than the two of them put together. In the scenario that's actually going to happen, only Cena wins and Punk gets fucked in the ass, so of COURSE they go that direction.

I can only imagine the fire under your ass, when Cena wins the title at mania.

[Tyrion Lannister]

I can only imagine the fire under your ass, when Cena wins the title at mania.

I couldn't give a fuck if he does. The mistake is the match even HAPPENING, I don't care which one of them wins.

Originally Posted by THANOS

I have a reason to believe if Austin has been signed that he'll put over Punk. I've heard him on record proposing the idea of putting him over in a similar way that Bret Hart put Austin over, and that was well before the match started becoming more realistic. Since it has, I have read countless articles and "reports" that mention that Austin has already agreed on a finish to put Punk over (now these are dirsheets but that's the only info we got). Also Rock/Cena, Lesnar, etc. Will sell the PPV

All of this is just speculation. Austin can even say he wants to put Punk over, but things change. When he goes into negotiations, all that shit goes on the window. Vince may not even LET Punk beat Austin.

Punk/Austin will be a hit with the crowd in New 'fuckin' York, no matter where it is on the card, so of course it could go on last and have just as much crowd support as cena/rock.

You can think that all you want, but I know WWE. They WON'T put Austin over Rock, and they WON'T put Punk over Cena. It's just not happening. Rock vs Cena is a bigger match. That's the fans fault, not Austin and Punk's, but the fact remains.

I will not accept this match as ANYTHING but a WrestleMania main event. And by main event, I don't mean a midcard match like "End Of An Era", I mean a real, genuine, bonafide, closing main event. That is completely unrealistic to shoot for, and if it's not the main event, it wastes everyone's time, it taints Austin's legacy and it holds Punk back from the main event he needs to get for another year. This match cannot be allowed to happen, it's a time bomb waiting to go off.