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Old 01-23-2013, 08:47 PM   #1221 (permalink)
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I assumed the Braddox backstage segments are more to do with him blackmailing Heyman because he asked him to screw Ryback at HIAC.

Anyway I'm against Tyrion. Even after this long as Champ Punk still isn't at the level, imo, to start putting other people over. He's not that big a draw on his own and his best work has always come against other "big stars" who can act as the star power. As such him vs Taker is perfect.

One of the main reasons for getting people over, like Punk and his long streak, is to have him in big matches like his one with Rock and potential matches with guys like Taker, Lesnar, HHH whatever. He's not at the level where he can put other people over and not be weakened by it. If he loses all of a sudden to someone like Bryan it won't be recorded as Bryan being awesome. It'll be recorded as Punk being crap.
And that's exactly why Punk needs to drop the title. If you can't get over as a big megastar after a 400+ day WWE title reign and repeatedly getting put over John Cena, it simply isn't going to happen. Punk's reign is holding the rest of the show down. This whole, "Punk's image will be damage if he loses" is no excuse for not having him lose. Anyone who loses a title or a match/fued will lose some popularity. It is not unique to CM Punk.

Every time he beats someone, they lose popularity. Except, since Punk's popularity isn't going up, it's just making everyone else, and the show itself, less watchable. Since Punk's popularity isn't going anywhere, there's no point in continue to forcefully push him as some all-time dominant force. It's way past time to give other wrestlers a chance. Punk's reign shouldn't have been even half as long as it is imo. It's gone nowhere.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:28 PM   #1222 (permalink)
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Then you'll lose. On both counts, the main event and Punk winning. Heels never win the main event of WrestleMania, and Austin won't come back to job, nor will WWE have enough respect for Austin or Punk to put them ahead of Rock and Cena.
I have a reason to believe if Austin has been signed that he'll put over Punk. I've heard him on record proposing the idea of putting him over in a similar way that Bret Hart put Austin over, and that was well before the match started becoming more realistic. Since it has, I have read countless articles and "reports" that mention that Austin has already agreed on a finish to put Punk over (now these are dirsheets but that's the only info we got). Also Rock/Cena, Lesnar, etc. Will sell the ppv, and Punk/Austin will be a hit with the crowd in New 'fuckin' York, no matter where it is on the crowd, so of course it could go on last and have just as much crowd support as cena/rock.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:54 PM   #1223 (permalink)
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"What a lack of respect from The Rock to me".
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:22 PM   #1224 (permalink)
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In general because it's a throwaway match second or third from the top. I don't care if it's Undertaker, Brock, Triple H, doesn't matter. Not even Steve Austin. I won't accept anything but Punk vs Rock in the main event. And not what they just call a main event, in the middle of the show, but the actual main event, the closer.

Punk vs Taker for the title is terrible too because you're wasting the longest title reign in 25 years on somebody who's just going to disappear the next night, get no rub from it and then play the disappearing man again for another year. At LEAST it would get Punk the 500 day title reign that he deserves, but there's no way he's holding the title that long. The big matches are already set.



It's not worse for him, it's MUCH better. It's a main event. Jobbing in the main event is better than jobbing in the midcard. I don't care if Punk wins at Mania but he MUST go on last.

Also, I doubt Punk would eat the pin because the whole reason it's Rock and Cena again is because Cena needs to beat ROCK, not Punk. It could happen but that's the whole reason for a rematch.

If you have Punk retain until Mania, you have Rock and Cena somehow getting shots at Mania, together, and then Cena pins Rock, that's PERFECT. You end at 500 days, just a little over, Cena gets his win back on Rock, and you can immediately transition to a Punk vs Cena feud because Punk can say he should still be the champion because Cena pinned Rock, not him. Everybody wins in that scenario, Punk wins because he gets what he deserves, Cena wins because he gets the title and wins the main event, and Rock wins because Rock can't lose because he's Rock and he has more star power than the two of them put together. In the scenario that's actually going to happen, only Cena wins and Punk gets fucked in the ass, so of COURSE they go that direction.
I can only imagine the fire under your ass, when Cena wins the title at mania.
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:27 PM   #1225 (permalink)
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I couldn't give a fuck if he does. The mistake is the match even HAPPENING, I don't care which one of them wins.

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I have a reason to believe if Austin has been signed that he'll put over Punk. I've heard him on record proposing the idea of putting him over in a similar way that Bret Hart put Austin over, and that was well before the match started becoming more realistic. Since it has, I have read countless articles and "reports" that mention that Austin has already agreed on a finish to put Punk over (now these are dirsheets but that's the only info we got). Also Rock/Cena, Lesnar, etc. Will sell the PPV
All of this is just speculation. Austin can even say he wants to put Punk over, but things change. When he goes into negotiations, all that shit goes on the window. Vince may not even LET Punk beat Austin.

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You can think that all you want, but I know WWE. They WON'T put Austin over Rock, and they WON'T put Punk over Cena. It's just not happening. Rock vs Cena is a bigger match. That's the fans fault, not Austin and Punk's, but the fact remains.

I will not accept this match as ANYTHING but a WrestleMania main event. And by main event, I don't mean a midcard match like "End Of An Era", I mean a real, genuine, bonafide, closing main event. That is completely unrealistic to shoot for, and if it's not the main event, it wastes everyone's time, it taints Austin's legacy and it holds Punk back from the main event he needs to get for another year. This match cannot be allowed to happen, it's a time bomb waiting to go off.
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Old 01-23-2013, 10:32 PM   #1226 (permalink)
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Punk/Taker would be better if Punk walked into 'Mania with the title and a 500+ day streak. Streak vs Streak. Simple.
The buildup would be incredible... It's just the fact that obviously Taker is going to win, and leave with the Title. That would kind of suck.
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Old 01-23-2013, 11:24 PM   #1227 (permalink)
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Since the trend has been for everyone to face Undertaker two WM's in a row, how about Cena loses this year, then next year at WM30 turns heel and cheats to end the streak. Boom, biggest moment in history
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:32 AM   #1228 (permalink)
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How would you guys feel if Undertaker drew at Wrestlemania? Is it a possibility? The best way of putting someone over while still technically keeping the streak intact. Then again, it depends on what one views the streak as, an undefeated streak or winning streak? For example imagine a titanic brawl with Brock that ends so brutally both cant answer the count of 10. Would there be backlash, would it it damage the legend of the streak? Just something interesting I just thought about, because it technically wouldnt be a loss
But it's still not a win, either. The Streak stops without a win, as simple as that.

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Since the trend has been for everyone to face Undertaker two WM's in a row, how about Cena loses this year, then next year at WM30 turns heel and cheats to end the streak. Boom, biggest moment in history
Sure, if you're sure Cena can escape the stadium alive.
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Old 01-24-2013, 12:46 AM   #1229 (permalink)
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But it's still not a win, either. The Streak stops without a win, as simple as that.



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Punk/Taker would be amazing.
This.
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