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Old 01-02-2013, 10:44 AM   #1111 (permalink)
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I see what you mean but it doesn't always work as with Big Boss Man in 99 and Mark Henry in 06- they gained notoriety at the time but the intended boost for their career never really happened. I guess Taker is only human and can't make a star out of everyone.

These days I dare say someone like Ziggler would be better off losing to Undertaker than winning the world title at the moment- he has plenty of time to win titles, he doesn't need it right now but putting on a memorable match with Taker at Mania would solidify him as a main eventer in the way Stone Cold losing to Bret Hart in 1997 did.
I dont think those matches were about the streak though. I distinctly remember the Big Boss Man vs Undertaker being about the Ministry vs. the Corporation. I skipped that Wrestlemania where Undertaker fought Mark Henry.


I think when people talk about getting over by losing to Undertaker at Wrestlemania they are referring to these days, where its all about ending the streak.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:52 AM   #1112 (permalink)
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Losing to Undertaker did wonders for Randy Orton as well. His career got a huge shot in the arm from that WM 21 match.
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Old 01-02-2013, 10:55 AM   #1113 (permalink)
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I think when people talk about getting over by losing to Undertaker at Wrestlemania they are referring to these days, where its all about ending the streak.
I guess so but I think the idea behind Mark Henry facing Taker was to try and boost his main event credibility.

These days I do think it could be better than winning the title- what I said about Ziggler benefiting more from a great losing effort to Undertaker than winning the title I think is true. He could win a title any time and title reigns are 10 a penny these days- he might go on to be a 17 time WWE Champion over 9 years. It is the MATCH that should be remembered on such a grand event and would stick in peoples minds.

On the other hand- someone like Ryback would benefit a lot more from winning the title- anything to take attention away from the actual wrestling match itself because, chances are, it would suck anyway.
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Losing to Undertaker did wonders for Randy Orton as well. His career got a huge shot in the arm from that WM 21 match.
I agree with you, but it didnt get Orton more over than John Cena and Batista who won the World titles in seperate matches at that Wrestlemania.
Did losing to The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 23 get Batista more over than winning his first World title at Wrestlemania 21? No, he lost his spot as the face of Smackdown there and also it put John Cena even more ahead of Batista in terms of who is considered the face of the enitre WWE landscape at that time.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:58 AM   #1115 (permalink)
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Simply "exposure" each year the undertaker match at wm will no doubt get people talking "will he lose this time" blah blah blah.

Dont think he will ever lose at wm closest he was to losing i think was at wm25 when he botched that dive he was lucky he could continue

Soooooooooooo want punk vs taker at wm this year would be epic


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Old 01-02-2013, 01:33 PM   #1116 (permalink)
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I'll be honest, I remember being underwhelmed when he returned at WrestleMania 20, I was expecting an extremely dark portrayal of the Deadman and he just returned without the bandana and put on a hat and coat.

Basically I had set myself up for this



instead they tried to keep it as less gimmicky as possible.
I admit that he wasn't portrayed as dark as he could have been, but it was a step in that direction none-the-less. Ever since I first found out about it, I always preferred the hat-and-coat mortician gimmick he first came out with, so for him to come out with the hat and coat made me mark out. I don't think the deadman is going to do anything exactly how he did before. The last time we saw him, although bald, he came out in a hood and an outfit similar to the one in the picture you posted. These days I guess he is just an experimental hybrid of what he is and what he was.
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Old 01-04-2013, 03:58 PM   #1117 (permalink)
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I see what you mean but it doesn't always work as with Big Boss Man in 99 and Mark Henry in 06- they gained notoriety at the time but the intended boost for their career never really happened. I guess Taker is only human and can't make a star out of everyone.
Well the other half of it is that Vince needs to properly book people after the fact. Mark Henry could of been awesome, but he has been one of the most misused people in WWE history.
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Old 01-04-2013, 04:15 PM   #1118 (permalink)
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The fact that you're even in the ring with the Undertaker at Wrestlemania means you've earned the respect of The Undertaker (bare in mind he picks his opponent now days) and when you earn the respect of The Undertaker you (in theory) should earn the respect of the entire lockeroom.

Respect is worth more than any title. Ask The Miz. Beat Cena at Wrestlemania and held the WWE title....... But I bet apart from the few he travels with nobody particularly respects the Miz for what he's done. Or Swagger.

If the creative team went to The Undertaker and his opponent and said this is it, we're ending it (as somebody said) whoever he was facing wouldn't let it happen. The only person I could see ending it, was Triple H last year in some screwy finish with HBK.

There was talk back when Nexus hit the stage that Officals were high up on Barrett and to get him over even more have him end it.....but Nexus failed, well it didnt fail, it just went in the wrong direction with the whole Cena etc.
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i probably in the minority but i think the streak will have to end. it would go down as the 2nd biggest moment in mania history behind hogan/andre imo
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I loved the idea someone said earlier of The Shield vs Taker in a handicap match. I know it won't happen but that would be amazing.
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