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Old 01-20-2014, 12:18 PM   #2501 (permalink)
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Please free me of this curiosity o man with no name: does Taker deserve to be called The Clint Eastwood of wrestling?



That still counts. Taker still put Nexus over by letting them bury him. Hell, didn't he try to have a match with Barrett book at WM 27 before HHH shot it down?



First of all, I don't think the Streak is ending. Not in the mid cards, not in the main event.

Second of all, considering so many greatest Wrestlemania (and WWE matches) did not main event the show, I actually don't mind Taker's retirement match not main eventing, but since it bugs you let's talk about it.

See, your main event argument is where my "putting over Bryan even without ending The Streak" part comes to play. If Bryan is chosen by Taker himself to be his last opponent ever, then WWE has no choice to make the match the main event of the show.

I know Vince and Hunter don't value DB enough. But I also know Vince, at least, values Undertaker enough. That gimmick is his magnum opus. It out-lasted Hulkamania, Excellence of Execution, Austin 3:16, Rocky Maivia, Here Comes The Pain, and You Can't See Me (sort of, it's been stale for years unlike Taker). No way Vince won't let Taker main event his last Mania even though his choice of opponent is disliked by Vince.

I did say even if Bryan ends up losing (which he will, The Streak is a huge money-maker even after Taker retires and Vince loves money more than anything), the match as a whole will benefit him cause by the end of the whole saga he'll have the distinction of getting his first Wrestlemania classic, an unforgettable moment, and being the participant of Taker's last match under his belt. That's a huge put over. It's a win-win situation either way.
If they think this is Taker's final match they will be doing everything in their power to have him face Cena. I've never heard of any backstage friction between Cena and Taker so no I don't Taker is scheming up a plot for Bryan to be his final match against Vince's will.

I've seen little reports that this will be Taker's last hurrah. To me this is nothing but wishful thinking on your end.
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Old 01-20-2014, 12:31 PM   #2502 (permalink)
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If they think this is Taker's final match they will be doing everything in their power to have him face Cena. I've never heard of any backstage friction between Cena and Taker so no I don't Taker is scheming up a plot for Bryan to be his final match against Vince's will.
And you know in Vince's mind Taker's final match has to be with Cena how exactly?

And how is wanting a match with Bryan "scheming"?

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I've seen little reports that this will be Taker's last hurrah. To me this is nothing but wishful thinking on your end.
By all means, provide the post where I say WM 30 will be Taker's last hurrah. I dare you. In fact, I double dare you.

When did I ever say that? I never said Taker/Bryan will happen at WM 30. It could happen next year at WM 31 for all I care, I was just stating the benefits of it happening. Stop making things out of thin air, man.
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And you know in Vince's mind Taker's final match has to be with Cena how exactly?

And how is wanting a match with Bryan "scheming"?



By all means, provide the post where I say WM 30 will be Taker's last hurrah. I dare you. In fact, I double dare you.

When did I ever say that? I never said Taker/Bryan will happen at WM 30. It could happen next year at WM 31 for all I care, I was just stating the benefits of it happening. Stop making things out of thin air, man.
I know Vince likes money and common sense says Cena v Taker is the most profitable program WWE has available to them. No main eventer wants to be a name on the list but I'm sure you can tell there's a difference between that and being Taker's final opponent.

The implication was the match was going down now not from you but from dirt sheets. I said that it's just another streak match you tried to make it more than that. I'm telling you it's just another streak match.
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I know Vince likes money and common sense says Cena v Taker is the most profitable program WWE has available to them. No main eventer wants to be a name on the list but I'm sure you can tell there's a difference between that and being Taker's final opponent.

The implication was the match was going down now not from you but from dirt sheets. I said that it's just another streak match you tried to make it more than that. I'm telling you it's just another streak match.
I agree. Why some people are afraid of Cena vs Undertaker, I'll never know. This is the only streak match that has any appeal at this point. The last one was Shawn Michaels at Mania 25. Even my favorite streak match, HHH at 27, was never on my radar.
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I know Vince likes money and common sense says Cena v Taker is the most profitable program WWE has available to them. No main eventer wants to be a name on the list but I'm sure you can tell there's a difference between that and being Taker's final opponent.
Didn't you read Meltzer's report saying one of the biggest reasons WWE not doing Taker/Cena at Wrestlemania is Vince sees no money in it? Besides, Cena already stated he wants nothing to do with The Streak after WM 28 ended.

You can look both up by googling it. I don't remember the links.

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The implication was the match was going down now not from you but from dirt sheets. I said that it's just another streak match you tried to make it more than that. I'm telling you it's just another streak match.
At this point of Taker's career, any Streak match might be his last.

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I agree. Why some people are afraid of Cena vs Undertaker, I'll never know. This is the only streak match that has any appeal at this point. The last one was Shawn Michaels at Mania 25. Even my favorite streak match, HHH at 27, was never on my radar.
Well, personally I was never afraid of Cena/Taker. But when they did not do it at WM 23, 24, and 29, I just realized they'll never do it at all. I believe whoever is hoping for Cena/Taker at WM 30 is in for an upset.
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Of course, Taker would lose in a match with almost no build-up other than going to RAW and SD every week to say "I respect you, but I will defeat you blah blah blah", promoted even less than Cole/Lawler and did not main event over Cena/Miz (you'd think if The Streak were to end, it would be in the main event after maybe top 3 build ups ever cause no way the crowd would simply hop along to the next match after such event happens).

No way, not for one second I think Taker would lose at WM 27. I agree the match is good, but best of them all?



At least it doesn't involve lying down on the canvass for half of the match while counting on the loud crowds reaction. Taker-Punk actually did non-stop actions to keep the crowd going and was more exciting to watch. The crowd reactions' were louder for Taker/Punk match than Taker/HHH matches too. Evidence of better in-ring psychology.
Honestly everything you said about the WM 27 match it totally true. Logically there was no way that Undertaker would lose. But then they had the match and for about a minute I as convinced I was seeing the end of the streak. That's why I think it's so amazing. It overcame all of the preconceived notions I had about the match and totally sucked me in. I don't get fooled very often in wrestling matches and I was fooled during that match. That's honestly the highest praise I can give a match.
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Honestly everything you said about the WM 27 match it totally true. Logically there was no way that Undertaker would lose. But then they had the match and for about a minute I as convinced I was seeing the end of the streak. That's why I think it's so amazing. It overcame all of the preconceived notions I had about the match and totally sucked me in. I don't get fooled very often in wrestling matches and I was fooled during that match. That's honestly the highest praise I can give a match.
Well, good for you if the match worked on you. If the built up it received was traded with the built Cole/Lawler received and the match was placed in the main event, no doubt I would have been fooled as well. But when I saw that shitty build up and middle placement in the card, I knew Taker was winning right away. I was right.

Besides, I think the whole feud in WM 27 and 28 with The Streak was booked to make Triple H looks important in Taker's career and The Streak (what with all the documentary WWE made right after the match and all the end of an era bullshit). The end of The Streak would waste all that effort to build Triple H as the biggest threat ever to The Streak (which he is now, since the trilogy fooled so many people).

I think it's possible for Taker to retire (when he finally does) mid-way into the show. But it's not possible for something as big as the ending of The Streak not being hyped to the moon and not taking place in the main event. No way.

P.S: You know what? As of now, I personally think the generally accepted fact of Taker's 3 greatest feuds are Kane, Shawn Michaels, and Mankind. But judging by your reaction and apparently the praise Taker/HHH trilogy has been getting, I think in the future (10-20 years from now, maybe even sooner), Triple H will take Mankind's spot in the top 3. If it can trick older fans like you into believing, it obviously tricks younger fans into greater lengths. I'm not kidding, I've met many younger WWE fans who rate Taker/HHH feud above Taker/Mankind feud using the trilogy as the foundation of their argument. Maybe I should watch the trilogy again and make up my mind whether or not to join this new wave of thinking.
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Didn't you read Meltzer's report saying one of the biggest reasons WWE not doing Taker/Cena at Wrestlemania is Vince sees no money in it? Besides, Cena already stated he wants nothing to do with The Streak after WM 28 ended.

You can look both up by googling it. I don't remember the links.



At this point of Taker's career, any Streak match might be his last.



Well, personally I was never afraid of Cena/Taker. But when they did not do it at WM 23, 24, and 29, I just realized they'll never do it at all. I believe whoever is hoping for Cena/Taker at WM 30 is in for an upset.
Cena's said he wants the streak on plenty of occasions as well. I wouldn't read into that. As far the Meltzer statement goes. He be sniffing some glue there. It's not on the horizon because reports at the same time said Taker feels he can go for 4 or 5 more Manias and that's an eternity in WWE booking. So yeah I can see Vince saying slow down on that match.

The guy wrestles one month a year unless a freak accident occurs he'll retire on top. That's why he wants to work with Punk and Bryan's of the world too. Less likely to get injured with them.

Unlike Austin, Rock, Hogan etc etc who skipped out on the streak when names on the list were headlined by Boss Man and King Kong Bundy if John Cena were to miss out on the streak that's skipping out on one of the biggest moments of his career. A guaranteed WrestleMania Main Event and outside of programs with the Rock he only has 1 of those. I know you think it's not happening personally I just think it's about timing.

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Cena's said he wants the streak on plenty of occasions as well. I wouldn't read into that. As far the Meltzer statement goes. He be sniffing some glue there. It's not on the horizon because reports at the same time said Taker feels he can go for 4 or 5 more Manias and that's an eternity in WWE booking. So yeah I can see Vince saying slow down on that match.
Man, I'd like to have your optimism about Taker/Cena.

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The guy wrestles one month a year unless a freak accident occurs he'll retire on top. That's why he wants to work with Punk and Bryan's of the world too. Less likely to get injured with them.
Yeah, that's probable. With his condition Taker would rather work on the in-ring psychology part any day.

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Unlike Austin, Rock, Hogan etc etc who skipped out on the streak when names on the list were headlined by Boss Man and King Kong Bundy if John Cena were to miss out on the streak that's skipping out on one of the biggest moments of his career. A guaranteed WrestleMania Main Event and outside of programs with the Rock he only has 1 of those. I know you think it's not happening personally I just think it's about timing.
What? Cena has main evented 5 Wrestlemanias (22, 23, 27, 28, and 29). And defeating Rock was pretty much the biggest moment in his career (although the rest of the world obviously gave zero flying fuck about it).

And yes, I think Vengeance 2003 is the most we'll ever see Taker/Cena. I'm starting to think Taker is gonna retire against a younger star like Bryan when the time finally comes, be it at WM 31 or 32 or 33.
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And yes, I think Vengeance 2003 is the most we'll ever see Taker/Cena.
And the very good match on SD 2004.

I still think they should have tried harder to get Cena/Taker WM match going. IF Taker is going to go until WM32, then maybe, but WWE just wont sanction it IMO.
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