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I knew this would happen

A week later surprise surprise peopel are complaining about Dolph Ziggler and the WHC title. First off I have no problem with Dolph Ziggler being the World Heavyweight Champion because he is one of the best in WWE right now. What I don't understand is that are jumping the gun before his title reign got started last week he did defeat Chirs Jericho, who is one of WWE's most decorated champions in WWE history. SO he lost to Jack Swagger on Raw, does that blow? Sure. Is it the end of Dolph's career? Certainly not seeing how we are only in a WEEK of his title reign.

Secondly what's with this legitimacy bs about the WHC title picture? Have you looked at the current WWE roster? There are some fine talent on it but why are we complaining about the WHC title picture? We don't have the likes of Booker T, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Batista, Edge, JBL and among others around anymore that's the first thing you all have to realize sure these men were strong champions on the SmackDown brand but we do not have this line up anymore. So WWE is going to utilize what they have currently. Considering the current roster why do we seem to have a problem with Ziggler, Del Rio, and Swagger in the WHC title picture when they are credible guys? WOuld you rather have Wade Barrett vs. Zach Ryder or Miz?

Swagger might be questioning but they did repackage him and with Zeb Colter by his side, I think that give shim some legitimacy to contend for the title. I am no fan of Jack Swagger but they did what they could to make him look like a credible threat to the title now. Del Rio? He defeated the Big Show who was a dominant heel monster besting another credible guy like Sheamus, so are we seriously questioning his credibility and saying he brings the title value down? Del Rio looks like a champion, has a great class marketable look to him that he can be a believable champion. After Bryan, CM Punk and Ziggler he is definately in the top 5-10 in ring workers in the WWE. Dolph Ziggler worked hard and had some strong US/IC title reigns, tremendous in ring worker and I cna buy him as a champion. Why do you complain about his mic skills? He's very solid there. The problem is you won't let go of the Foley's, Steve Austins, Rocks, Angles, or Edges that they are defaulted of what a champion should be like. Its not fair to the current roster who don't have nearly as much freedom than the aforementioned guys during a time where things were more lose.

So whay are we acting like these 3 aren't credible enough? If these guys weren't in the WHC title picture who would you have? Henry vs Sheamus? Sheamus vs. Orton? Miz vs. Barrett? You all would be complaining there as well so its like really look at the roster before complaining about the WHC title scene because I don't see any harm in with 3 strong in ring workers that can really produce some competitive quality matches over the WHC title. Why are we acting like the WHC title lost prestige when the last 3 champions in Sheamus, Big Show, and Del Rio were booked strong winning important matches making teh title look like it was their livelihood?

You guys don't want part-timers around, you dont want Kofi Kingston in the main event scene, and when they are trying to push newer guys, getting them established you complain there. What is it with this board? We have fresh faces and we still complain. Will bringing back Goldberg interest you all? Wait he'd be a part-timer and WWE should focus on newer talent. Well they are doing that yet we still complain woow.

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I think the problem with Del Rio and Swagger is that they aren't over enough. They're world champ and/or vying for it, and nobody cares.

Why would you throw Ryder's name in though? He's even less believable, and Barret? Even less people care about him than Swagger and Del Rio.

With Ziggler, I dunno about lack of legitimacy, but he has bombed on the mic so far. I am a bit disappointed with that, and I am a Ziggler fan. I'm not upset people are complaining about that. . .because it's understandable that they are.

The main issue with the WHC lately is that both the champ and the challenger tend to be unpopular guys. It makes the belt seem very unimportant. This is why you need guys like Big Show, Randy Orton, Kane, Mark Henry, etc in the picture all the time. If you have two unpopular guys, it doesn't work. Ziggler needs to be fueding with a bigger, more popular name like Randy Orton, not Swagger or Del Rio.

That's just my take though, I'm sure some disagree.

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The main complaints I hear about Ziggler are that his mic skills are lacking and that he's not a credible champion because he "jobbed" to Swagger (honestly people, losing ONE MATCH to Swagger is not jobbing). His mic skills aren't among the best in the WWE, but he's solid. I guess people's benchmark for passable is somewhere near the skills of CM Punk. And, how can you blame Ziggler for not being credible because he lost when he's not the one deciding whether he should win or lose. I don't get the line of thinking. Ziggler sucks as a performer because WWE booked him to lose? I get that it doesn't make him look strong and it hurts the WHC, but that's on WWE, no Ziggler.

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Re: I knew this would happen

Not everyone has the same opinions, and some people have always disliked Ziggler. I myself like him, don't really think he's ready for a main title though. Thing is most of the time there's no real point to bring up his dislike when he's flailing around the midcard in irrelevancy so it's easy to understand why some people may seem to get more hate when they 'make it'. For example I think McIntyre is relatively useless but he's doing absolutely nothing so what is there to say? If he were to win a main event title tomorrow though I'd certainly have something to say about that.

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I think the problem with Del Rio and Swagger is that they aren't over enough. They're world champ and/or vying for it, and nobody cares.

Why would you throw Ryder's name in though? He's even less believable, and Barret? Even less people care about him than Swagger and Del Rio.

With Ziggler, I dunno about lack of legitimacy, but he has bombed on the mic so far. I am a bit disappointed with that, and I am a Ziggler fan. I'm not upset people are complaining about that. . .because it's understandable that they are.

The main issue with the WHC lately is that both the champ and the challenger tend to be unpopular guys. It makes the belt seem very unimportant. This is why you need guys like Big Show, Randy Orton, Kane, Mark Henry, etc in the picture all the time. If you have two unpopular guys, it doesn't work. Ziggler needs to be fueding with a bigger, more popular name like Randy Orton, not Swagger or Del Rio.

That's just my take though, I'm sure some disagree.
I brought up Barrett and Ryder to show that if we don't use Ziggler, Del Rio, or Swagger than we'd have to use lower card guys like Zach Ryder for example because if we want to push NEW talent and not rely on "part timers" and not use these 3 men then who do we have left? Yeah the lwoer carders does the IWC want Santino, Ryder or Khali in the title picture? Because that's what would be left I mean things can be ALOT worse.
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A week later surprise surprise peopel are complaining about Dolph Ziggler and the WHC title. First off I have no problem with Dolph Ziggler being the World Heavyweight Champion because he is one of the best in WWE right now. What I don't understand is that are jumping the gun before his title reign got started last week he did defeat Chirs Jericho, who is one of WWE's most decorated champions in WWE history. SO he lost to Jack Swagger on Raw, does that blow? Sure. Is it the end of Dolph's career? Certainly not seeing how we are only in a WEEK of his title reign.

Secondly what's with this legitimacy bs about the WHC title picture? Have you looked at the current WWE roster? There are some fine talent on it but why are we complaining about the WHC title picture? We don't have the likes of Booker T, Kurt Angle, Eddie Guerrero, Batista, Edge, JBL and among others around anymore that's the first thing you all have to realize sure these men were strong champions on the SmackDown brand but we do not have this line up anymore. So WWE is going to utilize what they have currently. Considering the current roster why do we seem to have a problem with Ziggler, Del Rio, and Swagger in the WHC title picture when they are credible guys? WOuld you rather have Wade Barrett vs. Zach Ryder or Miz?

Swagger might be questioning but they did repackage him and with Zeb Colter by his side, I think that give shim some legitimacy to contend for the title. I am no fan of Jack Swagger but they did what they could to make him look like a credible threat to the title now. Del Rio? He defeated the Big Show who was a dominant heel monster besting another credible guy like Sheamus, so are we seriously questioning his credibility and saying he brings the title value down? Del Rio looks like a champion, has a great class marketable look to him that he can be a believable champion. After Bryan, CM Punk and Ziggler he is definately in the top 5-10 in ring workers in the WWE. Dolph Ziggler worked hard and had some strong US/IC title reigns, tremendous in ring worker and I cna buy him as a champion. Why do you complain about his mic skills? He's very solid there. The problem is you won't let go of the Foley's, Steve Austins, Rocks, Angles, or Edges that they are defaulted of what a champion should be like. Its not fair to the current roster who don't have nearly as much freedom than the aforementioned guys during a time where things were more lose.

So whay are we acting like these 3 aren't credible enough? If these guys weren't in the WHC title picture who would you have? Henry vs Sheamus? Sheamus vs. Orton? Miz vs. Barrett? You all would be complaining there as well so its like really look at the roster before complaining about the WHC title scene because I don't see any harm in with 3 strong in ring workers that can really produce some competitive quality matches over the WHC title. Why are we acting like the WHC title lost prestige when the last 3 champions in Sheamus, Big Show, and Del Rio were booked strong winning important matches making teh title look like it was their livelihood?

You guys don't want part-timers around, you dont want Kofi Kingston in the main event scene, and when they are trying to push newer guys, getting them established you complain there. What is it with this board? We have fresh faces and we still complain. Will bringing back Goldberg interest you all? Wait he'd be a part-timer and WWE should focus on newer talent. Well they are doing that yet we still complain woow.
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Re: I knew this would happen

It's not that people don't like the full time jobers like Kofi, Truth, Rhodes, etc. It's that the part timers always win and take up all the air time; so when WWE randomly has a constantly buried/losing jobber suddenly win, and there's no point or story, it's dumb.

It's like if Pikachu evolved into Caterpie. You'd be pissed because it's random and makes no sense.

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Dolph wins the triple threat because of Big E. bank in it.

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Re: I knew this would happen

I'm definitely not complaining about Dolph being WHC but i would have liked Del Rio's reign to be a little longer. I'm a fan of both so i was quite conflicted initially when the title changed hands! Now i'm hoping Dolph has a good 4-5 month reign. No doubt that Del Rio will be World Heavyweight & WWE Champion again though so it's all good, i guess!

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