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Old 10-10-2012, 10:51 AM   #71 (permalink)
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They are only trying to get Del Rio over by him making the most beloved heel tap out. It makes sense.

Once Bryan gets his mega face push, he'll be making Del Rio tap out on a monthly basis.

How is going to get a mega face push when they have Sheamus, Ryback, Cena, and AJ all pushed higher than him? Everyone knows Sheamus and Ryback are going to be #2 and #3 faces. Bryan at the very best would be #5 behind Orton. So he'd be the guy jobbing to the heels they would be building up for the top 3 faces. So in the end, he's still just an enhancement talent for the guys they actually like.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:58 AM   #72 (permalink)
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How is going to get a mega face push when they have Sheamus, Ryback, Cena, and AJ all pushed higher than him? Everyone knows Sheamus and Ryback are going to be #2 and #3 faces. Bryan at the very best would be #5 behind Orton. So he'd be the guy jobbing to the heels they would be building up for the top 3 faces. So in the end, he's still just an enhancement talent for the guys they actually like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get it. You think Daniel Bryan is going to be an enhancement talent for the rest of his career, or whatever. Like how people would stop caring about Bryan back in April, or how he'd never develop a charater. How his mic work would never improve, how he'd never make it in the WWE, he'd never be a World Champion, he'd never be the focus of a show.

As fascinating as that opinion is, I think we've heard it enough.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We get it. You think Daniel Bryan is going to be an enhancement talent for the rest of his career, or whatever. Like how people would stop caring about Bryan back in April, or how he'd never develop a charater. How his mic work would never improve, how he'd never make it in the WWE. He'd never be a World Champion, he'd never be the focus of a show.

As fascinating as that opinion is, I think we've heard it enough.
Like how he was supposed to win the WWE title and feud with John Cena at Summerslam right? Or become the top heel of Raw? Or have some sort of cahoots deal with AJ? Or get all that mainstream attention with Charlie Sheen? Or not tap out to Sheamus and Del Rio like somebody at Kofi Kingston's level?
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:03 AM   #74 (permalink)
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outside of beating Kofi twice, Santino, and Jericho on Raw (after he gets his ass kicked by Y2J) he really hasn't done shit. Ziggler has been booked completely terrible. I agree, but guess its nothing new when it comes to MITB winners (except Kane who didn't have a MITB booking as he cashed in the same day he won)
I know. I just hoped they would get it right for once and build up a credible MITB winner, but no, it's too much to ask. It's obvious WWE don't care for Ziggler as the MITB holder, his World Title reign will be over be before we know it.

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Why is Damien being booked as the bitch of Rhodes Scholars? Seriously. Rhodes entrance music, Rhodes gets their pins. Who loses to Sheamus? Sandow, who loses to Cara? Sandow. Da fuq man, da fuq.
This is what annoys me. Sandow is made to look worse when he shouldn't considering he's the better talent. I'm starting to think this team was put together just to build Cody back up again and not really care about Sandow. Sad if true.
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Like how he was supposed to win the WWE title and feud with John Cena at Summerslam right? Or become the top heel of Raw? Or have some sort of cahoots deal with AJ? Or get all that mainstream attention with Charlie Sheen? Or not tap out to Sheamus and Del Rio like somebody at Kofi Kingston's level?
Of course, because positive speculation about a particular angle is exactly the same as negatively writing off his entire career.
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Of course, because positive speculation about a particular angle is exactly the same as negatively writing off his entire career.
No one is saying he won't have a career. Just a career putting over guys the company likes and make them look better. The definition of an enhancement talent. That's the realistic approach when looking at how he's been booked his entire career, whether it be debuting with a losing streak gimmick to put over WWE's developmental guys. Or not being on television after his MITB win unless it was supposed to put over someone the company liked better in Sin Cara or Wade Barrett and using his MITB win as a status symbol to help those guys when they beat him clean as a sheet. Or having his entire emergency World Title push being designed to be a 1 match Mania blowoff to make Sheamus a top face and move him immediately feuding to Del Rio for the majority of the year. Or his WWE title program designed to push AJ instead of himself.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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This is what annoys me. Sandow is made to look worse when he shouldn't considering he's the better talent. I'm starting to think this team was put together just to build Cody back up again and not really care about Sandow. Sad if true.
I have no problem with them building Cody back up again, he's far too good to be Sin Cara's personal jobber, just don't trample all over Sandow in doing so. Is it so hard to let them both climb the ranks? Cody got the pin over The Uso's, let Sandow get the pin over Santino & Zack, it's just logical booking.

They've gone out of their way to make Sandow look like the weaker link, even on Smackdown in the lumberjack match a few weeks ago. Kane and Bryan absolutely destroyed Sandow with about 20 chair shots, along with all the other lumberjacks. Cody got hit once then disappeared.

I even understand using Rhodes music, he's a bigger star, the fans will respond to his theme more. They just need to start making them feel more equal, if Cody gets the pin again on Monday, I'll be pretty annoyed.
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No one is saying he won't have a career. Just a career putting over guys the company likes and make them look better. The definition of an enhancement talent. That's the realistic approach when looking at how he's been booked his entire career, whether it be debuting with a losing streak gimmick to put over WWE's developmental guys. Or not being on television after his MITB win unless it was supposed to put over someone the company liked better in Sin Cara or Wade Barrett and using his MITB win as a status symbol to help those guys when they beat him clean as a sheet. Or having his entire emergency World Title push being designed to be a 1 match Mania blowoff to make Sheamus a top face and move him immediately feuding to Del Rio for the majority of the year. Or his WWE title program designed to push AJ instead of himself.
You're right, all the evidence is there to suggest that he won't be a top tier talent. I'm just not going to buy it, and I think at this point, the facts have been presented enough.

Bryan has made a career out of proving people wrong. Like I said, he was never meant to make it to the WWE, never meant to get over, never meant to be entertaining, never meant to win a World title, etc. etc. I believe that at some point he will get his day in the sun, and I'm not suggesting that he'll be the next John Cena. In truth his career might end up being cyclical, but I do believe that he'll be much more than an enhancement talent when all is said and done.
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You're right, all the evidence is there to suggest that he won't be a top tier talent. I'm just not going to buy it, and I think at this point, the facts have been presented enough.

Bryan has made a career out of proving people wrong. Like I said, he was never meant to make it to the WWE, never meant to get over, never meant to be entertaining, never meant to win a World title, etc. etc. I believe that at some point he will get his day in the sun, and I'm not suggesting that he'll be the next John Cena. In truth his career might end up being cyclical, but I do believe that he'll be much more than an enhancement talent when all is said and done.
At the end of the day, Bryan got really hot for a time, and the company decided not to fully go through with it. Instead they opted to feed him to others they liked better as seen by this latest example of heel Bryan losing clean to heel Del Rio to tell the fans that Del Rio > Bryan. You have these mongs saying how Ryback is over for a couple of weeks so they should push him to the very top and the WWE is going to go with it simply because he's the type of guy they like. WWE's decisions will always trump anything Bryan does.
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Or is it only the ones who go on to highly visible careers in movies that owe something? Why do Johnson (who left after putting people over, doing the traditionally "right thing") and Lesnar (who did not; except for making Eddie a legitimate star) get called sell-outs who "forgot where they came from" when someone who retires to do some regular job get credit (as they should) for moving on and making it without falling into a sea of addiction?
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