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Old 09-08-2012, 08:35 AM   #31 (permalink)
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WWE can add great entertainment value to the product if they add a hardcore division.
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Old 09-08-2012, 12:01 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Why does everyone always think the hardcore title was thumbtacks and blood? That stuff was only ever reserved for heated feuds between the top stars (Foley vs Edge, Orton, HHH & Taker etc).

The hardcore title was a tacky belt for the lower-card which didn't allow any of the lower stars to show their full potential, because all that "tv time" was used to show them hitting each other with comedy objects (rolling bowling ball, picture frame etc) or flimsy items (trash cans...) rather than wrestling each other. If you were to resurrect it in 2012, then you'd have guys like Tyson Kidd in that division and his ability is better used in 10 minute matches on superstars rather than in an under 5 minute "hardcore" match.

Don't get me wrong, they were entertaining in their own way, but it wouldn't be the salvation of the midcard if it was to return like some people say...

And as for TV-PG being the reason why the WWE isn't doing hardcore matches? Smackdown has pretty much always been PG and the Orton vs Otunga match from the Christmas themed episode of Smackdown last year wasn't too far off the TV hardcore title matches of over 10 years ago and it was a good piece of light hearted entertainment, but it would wear very thin if done week-in, week-out.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:00 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Horrible idea there is a reason why it went away.
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:06 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Vince McMahon hardly even gives any attention to the IC/US/Tag/Divas titles, and you want to introduce another useless title just to have it get ignored like the rest?
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:26 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Never going to happen, so why make a thread about it? lol
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Old 09-08-2012, 03:36 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I wouldn't mind a rebranded Hardcore division, but I think they need to unify the two World Titles before introducing any other belts.

The Title heirarchy should be
WWE - main event
Intercontinental - upper midcard, established veterans, and main event guys who can't fit into the World Title picture but need to stay relevant.
United States - Lower midcard, upper midcard guys who can't fit into the IC Title picture, but need to stay relevant
Hardcore - mostly midcard with the occasional main event or uppercard guy mixed in.


I kind of want them to steal WCW's design


or rehash the ECW Championship design and change it to say "Hardcore"


The belt looks more prestigious so it looks like the wrestlers are "digging through shit to find gold". There should not be defined "division" as I think every wrestler, regardless of position on the card should compete for this title, as it gives an opportunity for rare low carder vs. main eventer matches. Remember that really goofy Miracle on 34th Street Fight that David Otunga had against Randy Orton. We could have more matches like that. Plus the new Hardcore title can be used to keep guys relevant once they're out of the World Title picture.

1. The majority of the wrestlers wrestling in this division could be brawlers, high flyers, and guys with an MMA based moveset.

Alex Riley - An intense and explosive brawler who mixes power moves and cruiserweight style moves seamlessly
Antonio Cesaro - A stiff worker with an pronouned mean streak
Christian - A master of Tables, Ladders, and chairs.
CM Punk - The Best in the World. If the Hardcore champion can withstand the onslaught of the WWE Champion, it would help legitimize him
Damien Sandow - Since RAW 1000, the Intellectual Savior has had a bit of a violent aggressive streak. What will happen once the rule book is thrown out?
Daniel Bryan - His anger issues and brutal kicks and submissions would make him a formidable opponent,
Dolph Ziggler - The self proclaimed showoff doesn't mind stealing the show in any fashion. He deserves to be in the main event, but he's the type of guy who feels that he IS the main event no matter what spot he's in.
Drew McIntyre - Capable of using the entire ring as a weapon.
Justin Gabriel - The high flying South African could do well in this division
Kane - The Devil's Favorite Demon would relish and environment where he can inflict pain on others and it would be perfectly within the rules.
Kofi Kingston - He's held every other midcard title, so why not. He's also displayed bouts of aggression in the past as well.
Mark Henry - The World's Strongest Man could easily hurt people by putting them through tables.
The Miz - Not the best grappler by any means, but he has no problem kicking and stomping the shit out of people.
Randy Orton - The Viper would thrive in this environment. If they won't push him towards a World Title any time soon, he would make a good Hardcore Champion
Ryback - This juggernaut wants to eat. Feed. Him. More. But let's see how well he uses utensils.
Santino Marella - Since the Cobra is "real" now, it's technically a weapon. Also this might allow him to utitlize his MMA ability as well, by demolishing his opponents with elbows and knee strikes.
Sheamus - Although he's the current World Champion, he loves a good fight. Once he drops the World Title, the Hardcore championship might be a good way for him to stay relevant.
Sin Cara - A high flyer who would be able to use the entire environment for his aerial offense.
Tensai - An stiff big man. He needs something to do, right.
Trent Baretta - Another high flyer who could use ladders and tables
Tyson Kidd - A high flyer and a submission specialist.



All Hardcore Title matches will by default be no-DQ, no-countout, and Falls Count Anywhere but weapon use will be kept to a minimum for the sake of PG. The hardcore matches would be more like the "Street Fights" we've seen in recent years.

Occasionally, the Hardcore Title can be defended in a gimmick match such as a Cage Match, Ladder Match, Tables Match, or TLC Match.

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@Skyfall can you give an example of something new or explain?

According to my story Johnny Curtis will be over out of this he will put on some great one on one matches first with the rest 7 and will have an epic rivalry with Cannon which will end in a WM hardcore match and will put on some matches to remember and will have a win-loss record of 25-11 at the end of it including multi member matches, after the WM match he will go on a winning streak against established guys like Ryder, Mahal, Otunga, Hawkins, Sin Cara etc. successfuly defending the title and have the record for the longest hc title reign then he can challange John Cena in a title vs title match and will put up a great match even for a losing effort this will get him over and he will then get pushed for the upper titles.
well, first off, having your story followed will never happen. I mean, making a thread saying WWE should do this is constantly done and serves no purpose. You can go to the BTB section if you'd like.

as for new things? I don't want a repeat of what we already had just for nostalgic purposes. We need new things, to be different. Just repeating old ideas on new people is stale. I don't really have any whole new ideas, so I didn't make a thread.

Your autosuggestion is :

1. take wrestler
2. ???
3. puts wrestler over

your ??? is by using old ideas. I don't want that.
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Old 09-08-2012, 08:16 PM   #38 (permalink)
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The Hardcore Title was fun while it lasted, but I kind of like the reduction of titles that there has been over the last few years. It makes the existing ones that much more prestigious.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:41 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Honestly it's getting boring with the same guys feuding again and again like Punk vs Cena, Sheamus vs ADR, Ziggler vs Orton, Big Show, Brock Lesner, Kane, Daniel Bryan, Ryback, Sandow, Clay there's nothing more its same thing again and again for last 3-4 years thats why hardcore matches on weekly basis can add new dimension to the product and can add more to the roster and get a guys like Curtis over.


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The Hardcore Title was fun while it lasted, but I kind of like the reduction of titles that there has been over the last few years. It makes the existing ones that much more prestigious.
IF they scrap the World Heavyweight Title, then they can replace it with the Hardcore Championship.
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